Morrowind talk:Sadrith Mora

Layout

In short, one minor change to fix a problem elsewhere rippled down into complete chaos with the images on this page. I've tried to do a bit of rearranging so that the page seems a bit less messed up, but I'm not sure what really is the plan with arranging multiple images on the Morrowind city pages. Several city pages seem to have left-aligned screenshots making me think that's a standard layout. But left-aligned screenshots plus left-aligned banners really doesn't work so well.

Basically, I just wanted to point out that I'd been through here and ignorantly rearranged things without any idea of how things should look :) More rearranging may be needed. --Nephele^Talk 22:22, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. I've compacted the white space to make it look nicer. Ideally, I would swap the banner with the image, but this one is transcluded from Tamriel, so it may not be a good idea. --DrPhoton 03:51, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

This page displays incorrectly in Firefox, with the Tel Naga image overlaying the bottom of the table of contents. :( --3DS Mike

Well, it looks like IE and Firefox treat the floating images rather differently. The page as it stands now, displays nicely in IE (Tel Naga image on the top left), but not so in Firefox (Tel Naga overlaying the contents) as 3DS Mike says. Trying to fix this has the reverse effects, i.e. if I move the banner tag below the Tamriel transclusion tag, IE displays a huge blank space between the contents and the above text (it aligns the top of the contents to the top of the banner), Firefox instead displays properly (Tel Naga image on the top left, no spacing). Is there a way this can be corrected at the CSS? --DrPhoton 08:29, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Welcome to the fun of getting CSS/HTML looking identical in multiple browsers... This may be related to a small change in how images are floated in MediaWiki 1.10. Since this change messed up just about all other left/right images I tweaked it a bit. I'm pretty sure I could play with it to fix this issue but it would likely break everything else.

One possible fix is to simply put the banner just under the Related Quests section. While there will be a gap between the Sadrith Mora table and the banner (especially in narrow windows) it does render the same in IE6 and Firefox. You can also try playing with divs/tables/css but it may take a while to find the right settings. -- Daveh 09:37, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

OK, I found another way to get the layout to work in both Firefox and IE. The main fix was manually placing the TOC before the banner: that made the layout the same in both browsers, but by itself forced the banner to not appear until below the bottom of the TOC box (i.e., a gap between the infobox and the banner). So to get around that I added the box around the TOC to make it float, then the NewLeft to end the floating. Alot of complication, but in some ways to be expected when trying to arrange the layout of four separate floating elements, each of which is being added from a different source.

Somewhat on a side note, though, I also happened to notice that IE really doesn't like it when you click the hide option on the TOC box on this page. The problem seems to be triggered by the cleanup tag, but I don't know what (if anything) should be done about it. --Nephele^Talk 10:55, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

From my experience IE (version 5/6 anyways) has always been the worst at getting things to behave nicely in general. The TOC hide feature works relatively fine in Firefox/Opera (minor issue of edit tag stacking). I don't have IE7 so I'm not sure how it behaves (I probably should install it on one computer for testing like this). I've been tracking statistics using Goggle Analytics for a few months now and according to it site traffic is roughly 50% IE and 50% other browsers (over 1 million visits). Of the 50% IE traffic 55% of that is IE7 leaving IE6 and older versions 23% of the overall site traffic. If IE6 was the vast majority of traffic I'd be more worried about coding things specifically for it.

I'm fine with leaving minor issues like this as is but if someone wants to play with it they are welcome to. -- Daveh 11:16, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Even though Nephele found a way to solve this issue in this page (thanks!), I'm pretty sure that a lot more of these will happen or are happening, which will require a different arrangement of things. Furthermore, editors cannot be asked to check their edits on both IE (5,6,7...) and Firefox because it is not practical. That leaves us with only one possibility: finding a long term solution that is transparent to the editors. This solution will most probably be in the CSS, but there might be another way...

By the way, the TOC hide works fine in IE7. --DrPhoton 03:44, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Though, you gotta figure by now, people who still use IE are used to half the sites they visit looking terrible... --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 20:47, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Is that the only reason it needs a cleanup? --Matthewest ^{•T•C•E•} 02:40, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Outdent: I started some clean-up, the article is missing details on the tower and council hall. Compare to Balmora article in terms of layout and organization; ideally all major cities would follow the same breakdown. That's what I can say from the top of my head, let me know if you have more questions. -Cheers, Benould^•T•C 02:52, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Benould =D --Matthewest ^{•T•C•E•} 02:58, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I've done a little more rearranging, to make the page look a little more like the Tel Branora one. This necessitated removing the image from the Tamriel page. --Gaebrial 03:52, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Looks a lot better now. Thanks. I really like the Telvanni articles, and used to edit them heavily. Now its more sporadic, but the rearranging is much appreciated. --HMSVictory^Talk 04:29, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

(Outdent) I cleaned it up considerably, with a new navigational tool, the navbar at the top, and a clean array of images. I also provided distinct sections, so that people can jump to what they are interested in. There are some duplications of names, however most might not read the whole article, so use best judgement when adding and removing content. Tel Naga could use a bit more info, the associated Morrowind:Sadrith Mora Homes page is pretty bare as well. --Benould^•T•C 17:08, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Services

Who are the bookseller and the clothier in Sadrith Mora? The page lists these services, but I don't recall them being present in town. — Unsigned comment by 83.10.54.204 (talk) on 3 July 2009

I think those got put on by mistake. Removed now. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Sadrith = Mushroom?

Where does the reference to Sadrith Mora meaning "Mushroom Forest" in Dunmeris come from? A certain anonymous user added it, so there's no way of asking him, and all the other things he added proved to be correct. Does anyone know perhaps? -- kertaw48 18:42, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

One source is Sul-Matuul. When asked about House Telvanni he mentions that: "They call it 'Sadrith Mora,' which means 'forest of the mushrooms' in our tongue."83.8.195.18 00:02, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, been curious about that one for quite some time. -- kertaw48 09:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

That anonymous user is me. At the uesp forums, I am VeltohiConservative. it's been a few years, but I think my sources were the imperial library site and possibly other uesp pages. I just read a lot about the languages, and found lists of words with known meanings. I also added the etymology stuff about balmora, tel aruhn, tel mora, bal isra and probably some more. For most of these, there is no in-game mention of what the names means, so I used to word-lists to figure it out. --VelothiConservative