Oblivion talk:Corvus Umbranox

Spoilers

I know there is a "Huge Spoiler" warning... but when I was editing this page I couldn't help but see it. This is realy quite an obnoxious spoiler. Perhaps it should be hiden (as in link to the quest from the Theives guild where you find that out?— Unsigned comment by Lorenz03tx (talk • contribs)

I agree. I haven't got to this quest, and I was kind of disappointed to stumble across this info. Yes, I saw the spoiler warning, and I've given up on really being un-spoiled while playing the game, but still I was, well, disappointed. I'd recommend an entry like:

The count of Anvil and Countess Umbranox's long lost husband. If you pursue the Thieves Guild quests, you have an opportunity to locate him.

Then under quests, just link to the single(?) quest where he is introduced using this name.

IMHO, spoiler info should only be spelled out in one place (i.e., in the details of a quest page, where you go looking for spoilers), and everywhere else should be circumspect and just refer readers to the spoiler-filled page. Even if you post a "spoiler" warning elsewhere, I find those warnings insufficient. You don't really want to just say "stop reading", you want to say "stop reading unless you've already done quest x". Then the reader has enough info to know whether the spoiler tag is directed at him/her or not. My two cents, since you got me thinking about the topic...--Nephele 13:32, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, I hid the spoiler a bit better. What do you think about making a template out of that? The "Huge spoiler warning", followed by the spoiler text appearing in white between two lines. Seems like it should be simple enough to set up... --TheRealLurlock 14:45, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Two concerns. First, when you're editing the page, or looking at page history you're still going to see the spoiler info; that's why I'm in favor of just not spelling it out unless really necessary (OK, presumably you're only editing this page if you know alot about this guy, but more as a general principle). Second, I really think spoiler warnings need some context. To me the point of a spoiler tag is to say "there's info ahead that I think some of you want to read (otherwise I wouldn't even be posting it), but many of you don't want to read". But if you just say "spoiler" readers have no way of knowing whether they fall in the I-should-read-this or I-shouldn't-read-this group: they have to actually read the information to find out, and then it's too late. So that's why I think somehow referring to the Thieves Guild quest line is useful. Whenever I see Thieves Guild (or Dark Brotherhood, or plugin, etc.) I know to stop reading, because I haven't finished those quests yet.--Nephele 15:05, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Well it is important to rember that you edit pages for more than just page specfic context. Like I was adding bread crumbs to this page for instance. I don't need to know anything aobut this guy to do that. And while those changes are few and far between, there is always grammar and typo fixes (plus vandalism defense). --Lorenz03Tx 18:19 20 July 2006

I'm suggesting any continued conversation on the how-to's of spoilers should be done at Template:Spoiler, since this has evolved into a far more general conversation than just Corvus' plight.--Nephele 22:00, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Hmm, I was going to put the list of related quests on this page, but that would of course be another major spoiler. Come to think of it, even the phrase "long lost husband" already spoils a bit of it. I'm starting to think maybe this page shouldn't exist at all. Just make a page for - umm, his alter-ego (trying not to spoil it here too...) and let any other info about him be listed there? This character and his identiy is one of the biggest spoilers in the game (at least for those not related to the Main Quest), so it's pretty hard to talk about him at all without revealing a little bit... --TheRealLurlock 01:04, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

"Long lost husband" for me isn't a spoiler: you hear that info from townspeople without doing any questlines. I agree his alter-ego needs a page, and most of the quests should be listed there (and the spoiler can link to that page). But presumably there's just one quest where his real name gets revealed (I haven't done any of that quest line, so I'm ignorant); would listing that one quest here be too much of a spoiler? FYI, the other spoilerish NPC I've been trying to figure out is Janus Hassildor... Similar problems, but yet not quite the same. I haven't done anything about it yet, though. --Nephele 01:52, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

Isn't he essential?

From what I understand the Gray Fox becomes mortal upon completion of "The Ultimate Heist" but is nowhere to be found(he becomes Corvus). Corvus isn't tagged essential, and Millona Umbranox becomes mortal as well if I'm right. But I read somewhere that the Count of Bravil is the only killable count in the game. Isn't this contradicting? --Sundaroct131088 08:36, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Corvus is never tagged as an essential character. If it states somewhere else that the Count of Bravil is the only killable count in the game, then that statement is wrong. A more accurate statement would probably be that he is the only count who is killable at the start of the game (although I haven't checked that fact myself). --Nephele^Talk 12:40, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Corrected it, thanks. --Sundaroct131088 13:10, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

SPOILER WARNING: equipment question?

Corvus Umbranox is The Gray Fox who also has some unique armour and rings right? Well if I kill Corvus will I be able to get the equipment He used as The Gray Fox? The unique Leather and rings?--Repeater 05:42, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Nope. He only has the clothing you see plus some gold and a leveled longsword. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:30, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Ok thanks, it seems a little strange though to just completely remove a set of armour from the game though? Even if they are 2 different NPCS--Repeater 08:52, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Why won't he frenzy?

I'm using a level 25 frenzy spell on him. I'm trying to kill him so i can rp as the count of anvil, and he just won't go into a frenzy. I'm level 8 so what level would he be?

As you can see on his main article, the Count is level 40, so you'll likely never be able to frenzy him, at least as far as I can see from the frenzy article. -Dlarsh^{(Talk,Contribs)} 23:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

A level 25 frenzy will only work on him if you are casting it with 100% efficiency. In other words, take your armor off. --Gaebrial 07:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Or you could try and kill him with the gray cowl, taking it off AFTER you kill him.

The Trio

Are these three people, A Stranger, The Gray Fox, and Corvus the same NPC who change clothes over the course of the Theives Guild questline, or different people (Like when the player leaves the Anvil Castle after becoming the Gray Fox, is the Gray Fox disabled and Corvus enabled, or does he just switch clothes?)--Arch-Mage Matt^Talk 16:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Storywise, they are the same person. However, all of these clothes changes and name changes would be difficult for the AI to run every time without any glitch happen, the devs treated them as separate entities to reduce glitches. This is why they all have different RefID. Vesna 17:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Why?

Okay why did whoever did it remove my note saying Umbranox bears resemblance to David Cameron, leader of The Conservatives? Golden Eagle 13:56, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I didn't remove it, but it was a silly suggestion. They don't look anything alike and there's absolutely no link between the two. rpeh •T•C•E• 15:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Hehe, I can actually see it Corvus 10:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Ulter-ego: TYPO

At the bottom of the article, it says ulter, instead of Alter-ego. I'll fix IT!!! :) Shianni 15:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

If there is a small typo, just change it and say in the edit summary what you did. Someone will check it quickly, and leave it if it was a typo. Good catch though!--Catmaniac66 15:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Etymology

If I remember correctly the general consensus was that Etymology should be moved to the talk page correct? If I am incorrect feel free to delete this. --AKB ^Talk 20:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Corvus is the Latin word for a raven or a crow, birds well-known for their intelligence and cunning. Umbra and nox are the Latin words for shadow and night, elements commonly associated with thieves. Thus, his full name would probably be translated most poetically as Raven Nightshade.

Kicked from the Guild

I must disagree with this statement:

• After completing the Thieves Guild storyline, attacking Corvus will still get you kicked out of the guild.

Corvus, this Corvus, is not a member of the Thieves Guild. The only time that this is true is immediately after gaining the Cowl, as this version is the Grey Fox, not Corvus. As soon as the player leaves the cell, they are switched. --DKong27 ^{Talk Cont} 17:30, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Corvus Super Stalker.

I had the Smuggler's cave plug-in and when I snuck up to the Countesses chambers to drink her blood, Corvus attacked me. I ran away wearing the grey Cowl all the wat down to the smuggler's ship where he found me and started to beat me down. I took off the cowl and now he's below deck walking back and forth..

That happens with lots of NPCs, they follow you while attacking you.RIM 20:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Corvus, A Stranger and The Gray Fox

I think Corvus is the only NPC to have 3 different, non-leveled Copys in-game, is he the only one or are there others, Dunehelm (talk) 03:00, 8 October 2013 (GMT)

Disposition

• (moved from article) His disposition towards to you can drop randomly by as much as 30 points after the final Thieves Guild Quest once he's taken up residence in Anvil Castle. So, despite having a possible disposition of 100 immediately after completing the Thieves Guild Questline, it can drop to the mid 70's if you visit him sometime later.

This is not a bug as it is not the same NPC. As detailed above, the Corvus with the 100 disposition is still the Grey Fox NPC who is later replaced with this NPC who has not had his disposition modified. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 23:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)