Oblivion talk:Count Andel Indarys

House Hlaalu?

in morrowind Indarys seems to be a Redoran family (Banden Indarys, Indarys Manor) yet in oblivion it says the count was from house hlaalu ? — Unsigned comment by 66.82.9.109 (talk)

• Indarys may have been a common Dunmer name like Smith is in reality. However, since I wasn't involved in the design or making of those games, I can't know for sure. Michaeldsuarez (talk· contribs· email) 22:53, 27 February 2008 (EST)
• He is referenced as being from Hlaalu in the Guide to Cheydinhal. "Andel Indarys was of House Hlaalu in Morrowind, but he came to Cheydinhal searching for greater opportunity." --Shalley303 00:05, 28 February 2008 (EST)
  • I know, but there's a Banden Indarys of House Redoran. I'm just saying these two characters appear to be unrelated and their similar names mean close to nothing. Michaeldsuarez (talk· contribs· email) 22:18, 28 February 2008 (EST)
    • Just in case anyone is interested, there also seems to be a Brelyn Indarys in Morrowind as well, but he's a member of the Verethi Gang. Once again, there isn't anything to point out that these people are related to each other. Michaeldsuarez (talk· contribs· email) 22:31, 28 February 2008 (EST)
  • Last names and house affiliation don't always go hand-in-hand in Morrowind. For example, each house as at least one member with the last name "Venim" (Morrowind: Venim Ancestral Tomb). "Indarys" could be the same way. He might not be related to the Hlaalus at all, just saw the way the wind was blowing after the coming of the Nerevarine and jumped on the Hlaalu bandwagon. That would be consistent with the character. Danjohnston1980 19:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Might it also be that Alessia Ottus, in her general racism, got the wrong information and didn't bother to fact-check?

Ulrich's Note

The note that convicts Ulrich Leland if you choose the good side in the Corruption_and_Conscience quest suggests that the count has a less than perfect track record when it comes to being faithful(he mentions some 'literal affairs' in the note). 75.111.235.210 03:38, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Allies of Bruma

We should add his word during Allies of Bruma(Vvardfell 10:56, 8 December 2010 (UTC))

It is on my to-do list in a few minutes. Too many projects right now, but I'll get to it as soon as possible. --Krusty 11:07, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

ARGH!!! TOO MUCH DIALOGUE!!!

Okay now that I got that out of me, I noticed I did an absolutely horrible job formatting this page, not to mention the lack of relevant links throughout what I wrote. For this I am sorry, though it wasn't my highest priority while I was transcribing the text walls that this guy speaks. I will handle it later (probably today) but if you feel inclined to fix it on my behalf please do so. Alpha Kenny Buddy 07:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I think you did an awesome job, KenKen. :D I'm horrible at editing ENTIRE pages. x.x I can contribute what's in their pockets. (Level 82 Sneak.) But...that's about it. Other than the occasional typo... It looks great. :D Shianni 13:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

is or was

Is he a house hlaalu member or he uesd to be a house hlaalu. Does county cheydihal count as house hlaalu's land(Vvardfell 13:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC))

One of the rumors in Cheydinhal is "How did a Dark Elf become Count Cheydinhal? King Helseth and Barenziah have considerable influence, and Helseth and Indarys are cronies. Get it?", which implies it, and two others are "Imperials hate Dark Elves; Dark Elves hate Imperials. Imperials hate that a no-name Hlaalu trader got made into a count." and "The Count, Andel Indarys, is a Hlaalu parvenu, but his steward, Naspia Cosma, does her best to coach him on the finer points of Imperial etiquette.". I think it's clear he's still in House Hlaalu, but the Great Houses don't matter in Cyrodiil, so you couldn't really call it House Hlaalu's land. rpeh •T•C•E• 13:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Second-Person vs. Third-Person

Okay this has been bugging me for a while now, a while back when I was still doing major work on this page I changed the article into Third-Person perspective. I did this believing that it would be more encyclopedic, or failing that at least better looking, but I've never been sure if my assumption was correct. I know that both third and second person perspectives are allowed, but which one is preferred? On the one hand second person is used on the majority of the site, making it a sore thumb. But once you think about it some differences are what make something great and would therefore make it a refreshing change from the rest of the articles. Does anyone have any thought on this as I've been comparing and contrasting the two whenever I see this page. --AKB ^{Talk Contribs Email} 02:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I think second person should be used for walkthroughs and the like, when the article is directly referring to the reader. Third person should definitely have more prominence on the wiki, because like you said I think it has an encyclopaedic feel to it. As for this page, I have mixed feels. The third person works great, but most of the other NPC pages use second person. As long as each separate article remains consistent throughout it doesn't seem to be a problem, though. Legoless 02:39, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I use second person all the time, mostly because I think it is silly to call the player "The Champion" - it is also a bit pretentious. It worked with the OBMobile pages, because that was what you are called from the beginning but on dialogue sections where we try to tell the story about a complex character, I think we should keep it simple. --Krusty 23:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Conflicting Information

The start of the article mentions he is an immigrant from Morrowind, yet near the bottom of the page it says if you manage to save his son Farwil he will say "I'm in possession of two fine weapons. They're both heirlooms of the Indarys family, held in the castle for several generations." So which is it? - Gnasty Gro-Gnorc 23:06, 22 August 2011 (GMT)

I have two unproven answer in till I get to that part

1. 1 the dialog is wrong when it says "held in thicastleel"
2. 2 the family lived there in the castle but he lived in morrwoind and inheritedted it or something

Maybe the fact morrowind joined the empire is why but I'm not sure if there is any proof for that Wolfy 22:38, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

It's just a dialogue inconsistency. --Legoless 22:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Legoless I now tend to agree for this

"How did a Dark Elf become Count Cheydinhal? King Helseth and Barenziah have considerable influence, and Helseth and Indarys are cronies. Get it?" then again maybe not, there is nothing not saying he was related and won the inhertance BECUSE of his influnce but thats a claim we can never prove Wolfy 22:59, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay that's fine. I just wasn't sure if the immigrant part might have been wrong, since I thought it odd that an immigrant from Morrowind would become Count, though my TES lore isn't particularly great so don't hold it agains't me. - Gnasty Gro-Gnorc

I thought elves aged slow and had longer lives...

So why have Elves such as Barenziah and Count Indarys aged so freaking fast in a short time? Barenziah has aged the elven equavelent of 38 years in just 38 years ((from daggerfall to morrowind is rougly 38 years while Oblivion is supposedly 2 years after Morrowind, correct me if I'm wrong)) and Count Indarys has aged the elven equivelent of 20 years in just 20 years. But elves such as Carahil in Anvil havn't aged much at all and still look young and it's been 100 years since she led the siege on that Necromancer turned lich guy.

The aging of Elves appears to be sporadic. Sadly, Bethesda has largely neglected the topic of Elven aging (and indeed the topic of anything Elven lore-wise altogether) leaving it up to the imagination of the fans. We have conflicting sources and evidence, and this is one of those pieces of conflicting evidence. Perhaps Bethesda will actually give us a straight, definite answer one of these days. Or perhaps we are damned to wonder at this for the rest of eternity. You never know.--Kalis Agea^{Yes? Contrib E-mail} 03:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)