Skyrim talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 3

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It's a Secret to Everybody

Does Farkas's line, "It's a secret to Everybody," count as an Easter egg?

What would be in reference in?

Zelda Coggles 16:31, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I second this, it's a phrase never used outside of referencing Zelda. --71.51.146.49 01:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It is also somewhat grammatically incorrect. It MUST be a reference, but I don't know if it counts as an Easter Egg since it does occur in one of the main quest lines and is in no way hidden.

I'm sorry, in what way is it gramatically incorrect??? Sure using "everybody" instead of "everyone" may sound a bit weird (or at least it does to me) but it's prefectly well within the borders of english grammar, compared to f.ex "All your bases are belong to us". Meaning it's not very unique, meaning there is enormous doubt whether it's a reference or not, meaning there is no "MUST" about it at all.--Teol 11:45, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

So perhaps not grammatically, but the syntax doesn't make sense. If everyone knows something, then it's not a secret. As for it being a reference to the Legend of Zelda though, it's pretty clear. There is no other instance of that exact phrase anywhere BUT in reference to Zelda. Go ahead and try Googling the phrase if you don't believe me.

I just wanted to share this. I was somewhere near Broken Fang Cave. At the same spot I found 3 pit wolfs, a normal wolf pack, 3 "soldiers" with stolen armors, 3 dead imperial soldiers, 2 bandits with one having this small note, 1 bandit outlaw (not sure if the all bandits were dead already, it was a mess), and Vuljotnaak dragon burning their asses. 85.157.34.172 22:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Vigor Potions=Viagra?

In one of the early quests for the Thieves' Guild, you can find a man who has a basket by his bed full of Vigor potions. Viagra, vigor?

Splendid. Minor Edits 03:42, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Let's not forget the "Stallion Potion" sent to the old man in Markarth. That quest made me shudder. -Nikomis 15:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they're both definitely references! Concerning the stallion potion guy, his name is Rarek or something very similar and he also actually asks you to "Keep quiet" about it;)--Teol 13:13, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

eh... where do you think the name viagra comes from... 46.196.239.25 18:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

We need some details (names, locations, etc.) before this can be included.Minor Edits 22:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

kratos

I've posted this once on the actual Easter egg page and once here on the talk page but both times it was deleted if someone could explain that would be great

There is a loading screen of an orc with grey skin tone and blood splattered on his chest who looks like kratos form the god of war

The God of War games do not hold a claim on that stance. Minor Edits 21:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not just the stance its the blood the skin tone and the weapons.

What part of 'God of War doesn't own that stance' (and by inclusion the weapons and blood) don't you understand? I'm sure that someone did that stance with that condition years before. Centuries before. It's a warrior bathed in the blood of battle, roaring out his ferocity. It's not a reference. Commentaholic 16:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

okay man I'm sorry I'm just new to this site and I thought and still think that it looks like kratos. If I get a chance ill try to take a picture of the screen and give links to it and a comparable shot of kratos.

Here we go [Kratos] that's gratis and this is the orc [Orc photo]

There are several important distinctions between the images. First of all, the orc has a blood splatter, kratos has tattoos. The orc has axes, kratos has swords. The orc is walking forward, kratos is standing in place. The orc is facing the camera, while kratos is posing for a profile shot. Kratos' weapons are level, the Orc's weapons are pointing at the ground. Even assuming that we accepted the premise that this image of Kratos is so well-known and iconic that it is ripe for homage (which I don't), there's basically no reason to think that was the intent when making the image of the Orc.Minor Edits 18:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Goodness gracious you guys are picky. Just because it's not identical doesn't mean it's not a reference. One, I'd say they used blood because there aren't any chest tattoos, and Bethesda doesn't really alter the rules of the game for references. Two, the orc is the race that has a skin color closest to Kratos. Three, orc is shirtless, maybe for a reason? And three, if you played one god of war game you would immediately see this screen shot and say,"Hey! He looks just like Kratos!" I'd call that a reference. And why is this getting so much debate and analysis if someone's allowed to claim A Night to Remember is referencing The Hangover just because you can't remember your drunk shenanigans? I feel like that could just as easily be a reference to most college parties. Lastly, if you're in such an analytical, nit-picking and obnoxious mood, then why not take care of something worthwhile? Like fixing the fact that the Notched Pickaxe has two sections on the easter eggs page.

Well, the orc is strikingly similar to the picture. The creators probably wouldn't make it EXACTLY similar, they might have wanted to go for a subtle hint at it. I think that if you want to argue slight differences such as references then why not start analyzing slight differences in other understood eggs? Like in Star Wars, I don't remember seeing bones in the wampa cave, but that is still a valid egg. I see no difference and personally find the orc to be valid as a reference to Kratos. Eric Snowmane 19:20, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Just to address that jab at the "A Night to Remember" note: there, we have several correlations between a two-hour movie and an entire Daedric quest. Each similarity buttresses the next. Here, we have two pictures. There's just not a lot to go on. There's not much meat to dissect. All we have to support it is that there are two male figures, well-built, with some red splotches on their persons, carrying bladed weapons and standing with their feet apart. It's basically a judgment call on whether or not there's enough here to warrant inclusion. In my opinion, there is not. That's just one person's opinion; Eric Snowmane falls on the other side. Obviously, reasonable people can disagree on this. So let's wait for a more substantial consensus to emerge, one way or the other. Minor Edits 19:53, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. A consensus, rather than arguing between several people, is a better way to go. Eric Snowmane 20:12, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Rather than being a reference to that single picture, it seems more just a nod to Kratos' general appearance and mannerisms. In favor of a reference, you've got: bald head, goatee (as close as you can get, anyway), armor only on the arms (Kratos didn't always wear that pauldron) and below the waist, distinctive red markings (although it's obviously blood instead of a tattoo, at least it's on the right side of the body), and dual-wielding extremely curved/jagged weapons. Furthermore, the Orc is in a stance that doesn't exist in the game normally, with both arms at his sides, a stance [Kratos] [typically] [assumes]. The only things I'd really count against it are skin color (a pale Human would be a better match, but an Orc dual-wielding Orcish Axes fits the Lore), and the amulet the Orc is wearing. Granted it's a bit of a reach, but when I saw the Orc for the first time I could see the similarities. Circuitous 15:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

It just seems TOO debatable. I mean, maybe someone else thinks Kratos, but all I see is an Orc. And if it's too debatable, then it's not a fact. Maybe you can put it on the page as "It MIGHT reference Kratos..." I don't see why putting a speculation in is a bad thing, anyway. Skysky 00:54, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Because speculation isn't a valid criterion. If it were, you could justify anything as a reference to anything and list it on the page. 205.133.169.94 15:45, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

They're easter eggs? Unless Howard outright confirms them, we're all just speculating on everything on that page. So, nothings valid, no matter how much 'evidence' we all make up. Skysky 16:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

For sake of contradiction, take a look at this https://forums.playfire.com/_proxy/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xboxliving.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F04%2Fassassins-creed-2.jpg&hmac=686057af0fea802324e9eb8820bfae28 . This pic of Ezio is far more alike to the orc stance wise. Walking, hands out, etc. I don't think Ezio should claim this easter egg, but this shows that no franchise truly owns this stance. VivaLaColdplaya 23:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I can pick out WAY more differences between the AC picture (which is un-clickable, btw)and Orc than the Kratos picture and Orc. My point is, we sound silly saying 'this is an easter egg and this isn't' when in reality, the makers never come outright and confirm anything, so everything on this page is speculated. I'm not actually backing up that this is really a reference to Kratos, frankly I don't even care. I'm just saying any one of these speculations could be right or could be wrong, so saying that a particular suggestion is wrong is ridiculous. Skysky 00:25, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Go to Endon's house in Markarth, and find the Pac-Man shelf. Then ask yourself whether the inference that it was intentional is mere "speculation", or a reasonable conclusion. Most cases have more dubiousness to them, but the process of achieving consensus usually weeds out the less likely ones. Minor Edits 01:10, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

No opinion on Kratos, good points for and against inclusion have been made already, but I have to second Minor Edits on the general issue. There is a huge difference in plausibility between different possible refereces. If you met a bearded mage called "Gundolf the Grey" in a Dwemer ruin "Morria" asking you to dungeon delve for his "One Ring of Power" into "Smeagolcave" as a quest, it would be silly not to assume a LotR/Hobbit reference even if the story there works slightly different. If on the other hand during some otherwise unrelated "cutscene" somebody said "It seems that this could be a problem" it would be quite a stretch to draw a line to anything Apollo 13, since the phrase in itself is uttered literally thousands of times a day in different places around the world and even within context it could be made closer to the original without too much of an effort. Not all speculation is on the same level because "it either is true or it isn't", instead there's educated guesses and random babbling. Of course there isn't a clear line between what should go in and what shouldn't, but there are clear cut cases in both directions - and, as here, some worthy of discussion. --Ulkomaalainen 06:48, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

My vote is against adding this, for the reasons Minor Edits listed. ThuumofReason 17:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Can we just bring this to a close? There is a solid consensus against it, and this section is becoming quite long. Eric Snowmane^{Talk•Email•Contributions} 19:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The archiving guidelines state that a topic must be dead for at least a week before it can be archived. If no one else comments here, it can be gone by the 23rd. If you don't want to wait, you could try seeking special permission from an admin to archive this and a bunch of other stuff right now. Minor Edits 19:50, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

127 hours

Ok,in Lost Prospect Mine, Northeast of Riften, is the location of a reference to one of the top grossing movies ever. After reading the entry of the miner, which is on the table, you would assume that the cave is desolate of any valubles, but if you jump from the left side of the waterfall to behind it, you will find a secret area that contains two or three pickaxes, gold veins, and a skeleton. If you read the entry, you will know that the miner thinks that Bern left him, however this comes to the conclusion that the skeleton is actually Bern, in the same situation as 127 hours. Because the skeleton is missing a limb and is trapped under rocks, and also with a pickaxe in his hands, to perhaps free him just like the movie.

Can you specify what limb he is missing, or post a link to a screenshot of the scene? For this to be a valid Easter Egg, it'd have to be the skeleton's arm that is missing. --LJGB 13:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Oblivion Nirnroot reference

In Oblivion there is a quest when you ask about a mysterious plant named "Nirnroot," the quest is called "Seeking Your Roots."In Skyrim during the mission while searching for the Elder Scroll you may find a plant named "Crimson Nirnroot" you will then receive a quest called "A Return To Your Roots" which i believe to be a reference to Oblivion.

nirnroots are already mentioned on this page (Eddie The Head 03:53, 27 November 2011 (UTC))

And besides, references to other Elder Scrolls games do not count as Easter Eggs, as noted in above topics. Commentaholic 06:28, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Nirnroot can be found all over Skyrim (and Oblivion, and Morrowind for that matter), and there's a quest to find it (among other things) which may be received in Riften. That is pretty cool about the Crimson Nirnroot, though. Oshaugm 00:12, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Link Easter egg?

When you have cleared a mine outside Whiterun (one of the locations to find the father`s sword) you can go out to a wolfpit where you can find a High Elf who looks very simular to Zelda`s link.

I wouldn't say that this is an easter egg unless he's wearing a green outfit. You'd have to clarify if this is the case. It could just be a randomly-generated person. Commentaholic 16:47, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

He's wearing a green outfit. Green hat, green tunic-thing, white tights. However, I heard somewhere people commenting on that it could be Robbin hood as well. I think it's too speculated. Skysky 20:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

If it's supposed to be Robin hood, surely it'd be a man of some kind, not an elf, and have a bow, right? --LJGB 13:06, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thats what I was thinking, and personally, I'd love to see it added to the page. Skysky 02:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I actually saw this on a YouTube video and went to check it out for myself. The outfit, unfortunately, is randomly spawned -- only about 1 in 3 encounters will the dead elf in question be wearing the Link-like green outfit. And the 'hat' in question is actually a cowl/hood more than a Link-hat. Ironically, when you kill Grelod the Kind, if you take her clothes and you're a male character, you'll get the same Link-like outfit. Also, the dead elf in the pit looks nothing like Link, in my own opinion anyways: last I checked, Link doesn't have a brown beard.Voraxith 22:56, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

'Tis but a Scratch

I find it hard to accept that this is an easter egg. Sure, Monty Python made a humorous bit of context for the phrase when the Black Knight was missing an arm, but the phrase itself isn't all that out there, and the circumstances under which the combatants speak it are not similar to the Black Knight's at all. Perhaps it would be more acceptable if you were to cut an arm off, prompting them to say so, or even if they were wearing full ebony armor and meeting you on the road. As is, though, I think the "reference" should be removed. Jwguy 14:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The question is, when Bethesda included this line, did they intend for players to be reminded of Monty Python? We can't read minds, so we have to try and deduce their intent from the results. And in this case, I think many of the players who hear this phrase are reminded of Monty Python. A single note regarding Monty Python for this and "get on with it!" seem appropriate to me. Minor Edits 20:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

They say "'Tis but a scratch." 'Tis. How often do you hear 'tis in the game? Just sayin'. Circuitous 15:47, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The Mask

"Killing named Dragon Priests gives you masks, which are references to Jim Carrey's The Mask. The Mask is based around Nordic mythology, which Skyrim derives much inspiration from. The Wooden Mask in particular resembles the Mask of Loki from the film."

Okay, children, let's stop the edit war and talk this through. Frankly, I don't really have a problem with this. I always felt the masks in the game reminded me of the movie "The Mask". At the same time, I can see the point of view of people who think this relationship here is too tenuous to warrant being an easter egg. Regardless, please explain yourselves here instead of undoing each other's page contributions all day. Minor Edits 19:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Personally, when I first read this it sounded ridiculous, but after thinking it through, the masks, and the wooden mask in particular, does resemble the mask from the movie. When you put the masks on they give you abilities and powers that you normally do not have, as does the mask from the film. However, the wooden mask, (the one with the most resemblance to the movie mask) doesn't give any bonuses. It doesn't turn your head green or give you a yellow suit, either. I'm going to go with not an Easter Egg on this one, but it's not as crazy as it first seems. --LJGB 13:18, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Still, at least the way it is worded makes no sense. As it stands I read "Skyrim borrows from Norse mythology. The movie "The Mask" borrows from Norse mythology. Therefore, this is a shout out to "The Mask"". Which begs the question: can't it be just a reference to the same sources the movie uses and the middle man be cut out? (I guess not, since we're also talking appearance here, but the way it is worded, this question arises and should be addressed). --Ulkomaalainen 05:31, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Robin Hood reference

When traveling towards Ivarstead along the mountain from north you come to a tree over a waterfall. When you jump on it a bandit appears on it blocking your path. This referce to the first time robin hood stumbles upon the merry gang of thiefs where he has to fight on a log just like it.

First contribution to a wiki EVER! Woooo!

This will need some confirmation, but if this ends up being real, then I see no reason why it wouldn't make it as an Easter Egg. Commentaholic 17:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I did encounter a bandit there as well, who was standing in the middle of the log. I never read/watched the robin hood this may be refering to so I don't know if it is a reference. Just thought I'd confirm a bandit does appear there. --Ijiero 17:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, then if it is a confirmed appearance, then I can at least explain to those not aware of the reference. In the movie (and in the lore), Robin met Little John on a log spanning a river/river with waterfall. They do a bit of staff-fighting. In the end, Little John joins up with Robin. This is a stripped down explanation, but if this is a confirmed appearance, then it gets my vote... though it'd probably get more credibility of the bandit had a staff or something. Is the bandit like... big and muscle-bound? Commentaholic 20:35, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Bird in a Tree

Have no idea of its reference but as your leaving Riverwood North after crossing the bridge there is a tree on the right (first one). In the tree is a very colorful bird, looks like a crow. You cannot interact with it and it looks like the tree just the bird graphic'd into it. Kinda Kewl. I've been by this way many times and never noticed it till just now. ~~Philbert 19:30, 30 November 2011 (CST)

I see what you're referring to but to me it just looks like a stuck bird. Nothing important. The Invisible Chocobo 04:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm almost certain this is a glitch. When I cross that bridge for the first time with a new character, on the way to Whiterun, occasionally, when I'm halfway across the bridge, I will hear a flock of birds flutter and squawk and see leaves fall from or around the tree. Then when I approach the tree, there are these colourful birds, like Macaws or some other kind of parrot, all clipped into the tree. There are many of them though, all in the exact same position, albeit with each at a slightly different height. It has the effect of looking like one bird with many beaks and tails. Accompanying the birds is a continuous bird squawking sound. Like a flock of birds. Must be a glitch, right? --LJGB 13:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I just restarted and headed out of Riverwood, no bird. I did hear, and always do, the sound affects but until I saw that one bird, no birds were in the tree. I'm going to assume this is a minor graphic's glitch. Thanks for the input!!! ~~Philbert 15:30, 1 December 2011 (CST)

Confirming that it is a glitch. On my pc, when exiting Riverwood over the north bridge, a flock of birds will fly off into seperate directions from that tree. Do you, by any chance, play on the console? --Ijiero 10:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Aretino

I'm not sure if this is an Easter Egg, or simply a veiled reference... or just random, but The Aretino family from Innocence Lost shares the last name of a Pietro Aretino, famous Italian author from the 1500's. Interestingly, I think, (as you can read on the linked wikipedia entry) Pietro Aretino was born out of wedlock, banished from his native city, became famous as satirist mocking (among others) the Pope, wrote the "Lust Sonnects", is considered as (one of) the inventor of modern pornography, ... etc etc... Seems that the the reference to this name in conjunction with the "Innocence Lost" quest might not be completely casual.— Unsigned comment by Krag (talk • contribs) on 1 December 2011/04:39

Pretty interesting, but I don't know if it's enough to go on. --Teol 11:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Earthsea

The lore about Shouts has some elements of similarity to the way magic works in Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea novels and stories. Both of them depend on the language of dragons, where speaking the name of something in that language gives you control over it. The general concept of the dragons' long absence and return is also reminiscent of the plot of "The Farthest Shore," the third book in Le Guin's famous Earthsea quadrilogy. The fourth book in the quadrilogy, "Tehanu," includes a character named Therru, a young woman who is said to be "a double being, half human, half dragon." Archmage Jorad 23:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

The lore about names giving power is older than the Earthsea books. It arose even as far back as the Middle Ages and the tales of Merlin. As for the 'half dragon, half human' being. Earthsea does not own it. It's been done numerous times throughout legends. Commentaholic 17:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I really think this is just a coincidence. Blackandwhite2

D&D reference?

Not sure about adding it, but the absent minded court mage in Riften frequently says "Ward first, THEN summon.", which sounds to me like a reference to old D&D rules where you had to ward against evil to summon demons & suchnot. 99.28.98.182 00:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

The idea in D&D comes from a long tradition of stories about summoning evil beings and constraining them with magic in order to bargain with them. Odysseus summons Achilles from the underworld in the Odyssey in such a way, including a protective circle; Saul in the Book of David in the Old Testament similarly summons spirits. Fantasy draws a lot on ideas about witchcraft and dealings with demons that were popular in Europe in the late medieval and renaissance period: see Christopher Marlowe's Doctor Faustus for a story of a man who summons a devil, and in general, has many of the qualities of a classic D&D "evil wizard". Beyond that, D&D tropes are ubiquitous in computer roleplaying games, so there's not much reason to point them out. FoolishOwl 21:06, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Ysgramor and Chuck Norris

• Lore on Ysgramor mentions that he eats soup with a fork. This is likely a reference to Chuck Norris jokes.

I looked around and I see nothing to reflect this, however I very well could have missed something (although I doubt it). I am skeptical about this one, and If a link to where this claim can be proven is made, then it can be replaced. Although I personally believe that it is not a good egg anyway (its not hard to eat soup with a fork, I have done it before). Eric Snowmane 18:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Well now this is confusing, as in Calixto's House of Curiosities in Windhelm, there's an item called 'Ysgramor's Soup Spoon' on display. I've never seen the item in-game, but if it's a spoon it'd prove that this was merely a rumour. Thoughts? --LJGB 01:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

It is a fork. Minor Edits 01:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the spoon was just a joke towards the Lore from Bethesda to either discredit the lore or the shop. The information on Ysgramor may only have been added to pair with this spoon, seeing its insignificance towards Ysgramor as a person. The Ysgramor may follow the Chuck Norris joke form, but it's not limited to Chuck Norris (i.e. the most interesting man in the world from the Dos Equis commercials) Chuck Norris jokes may exist for eating soup with a fork, but then again, Chuck Norris jokes can be made by anyone and there's basically one for everything 70.123.134.182VivaLaColdplaya

Sweet Roll Reference

Every now and again when you pass by a guard one will say in a mocking tone "Let me guess, someone stole your sweet roll." Is this possibly a reference to Bethesdas Fallout 3? In which during the beginning when butch takes your sweet roll you can tell on him to the vault security.

no it is a reference to morrowind, as seen here, fallout is a reference to morrowind to. (Eddie The Head 09:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC))

It's a reference to a question in the Daggerfall character creation system.

As a child, one day tou get a sweetroll from the bakery, when you're on your way home some kids chase you and corner you in an ally. Their leader demands you hand over the sweetroll. Do you: a) give it to them, knowing you cannot win this battle; b) throw it away to create a distraction and run; c) throw it on the ground, step on it and prepare for battle?

Not the exact words, I'm citing this from memory.

East Empire Company

Could this be a reference to the real life East India Company?

No, the East Empire company first premiered in earlier incarnations of the Elder Scrolls series (Morrowind and Oblivion among them). And then that might've been a reference to the East India Company, but no, this tidbit of information has already been refused and deemed unfit to be an easter egg. I recommend looking up and seeing the rejected ones when suggesting an easter egg. Commentaholic 17:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

You do realize how silly it sounds for something to be a reference to a reference of something, and then to say the second reference is not a reference to the original "something"? To look at it differently imagine if there was a reference to Star Wars in Morrowind, and that reference was further referenced in Oblivion, would you then conclude that the one in Oblivion was not referencing Star Wars? I'm not arguing for or against it being an easter egg, just that the thought used to say isn't a reference because it came in an earlier game isn't really sound. Another example might be that some of the easter eggs in skyrim reference things that have been easter eggs in other games. One could use the above argument to say if it has ever been an easter egg in any other game then it can't be one in this one because the one in this one would be referencing those easter eggs and not the original. If you go with the idea that "no the ones in this game reference the original material" then you must conclude that the above argument is wrong, because then it would be referencing the original and not the ones in Morrowind/Oblivion. Now that assumes that the East Empire Company is a reference to the East India Company, that is entirely something else. 65.0.88.217 04:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, that is mostly semantics, I like a fair share of that myself every once in a while. But it is not a "new" reference anymore but a part of TES lore by now. It's a bit like mentioning in a review of a book of the Thursday Next series that Thursday's genius uncle Mycroft is a reference to Sherlock Holmes' older brother (in some logic twisting kind of way), and then mentioning while discussing the second chapter mention it again. It is not a new thing and a new information.

So yes, almost surely the EEC references the EIC, but this information would not belong here anymore, since Skyrim only continued the EEC and any intentions about that name should go to the first such place, i.e. Morrowind.

Protection

I'd like to have something done about people removing good references and adding bad ones. For example: 'Temba Wide-Arm' which is an obvious reference to the episode "Darmok" from Star Trek TNG. In it, there's an alien species who communicate only through allegory. One of these is "Temba, his arms wide" which meant to give, to receive or to take. Can we please add it back there and remove all the senseless ones like for example "pete's dragon", which uses an incorrect quote to 'prove' the reference is correct, and even if the quote is correct it certainly isn't enough. "When you first enter Riverwood an old woman shouts "a dragon! A dragon! I swear I saw a dragon!" This is a reference to the song in the children's film Pete's dragon." really? gah!

Maybe we should just protect the page and let only patrollers and up edit it when enough info is given on the talk page? --Ijiero 12:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Seconded! (from an anonymous reader)— Unsigned comment by 174.30.5.214 (talk) at 10:48 on 4 December 2011

Well, page protection in this instance would be about blocking anonymous users from editing; an registered user would still be able to edit the page, not just patrollers. I proposed page protection to rpeh last month after a string of vandalism, but he shot it down because he still thinks anons have something to contribute. Around the same time, I think it was an anon who added the Pac-Man egg, so I can see where he's coming from. But I think if an anon finds something really worthy of inclusion, registering shouldn't be much of problem. And I'm pretty sure that this talk page is still open to anons even if the page itself is protected, so they could dump it here if for some reason they really didn't want to register. Since people are supposed to post things here first, it's not like it would be a big deal to force anons to do so. So, +1 for page protection. Minor Edits 19:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Just noticed the page is semi-protected now. Oh, joyous day! Minor Edits 19:33, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Mammoth Frozen in Glacier

Halfway between Hobbs Fall Cave and Sarthaal there is a mammoth half frozen in the ice. There are what appear to be spears sticking out of it. Possible reference to frozen mammoths found in Siberia etc. — Unsigned comment by 207.237.1.163 (talk) at 07:24 on 4 December 2011

Found this too, actually what brought me to the page. It has several Dwarven Arrows stuck in it, as well as a few larger spears, and about half of it is still in the ice. Given its proximity to a Dwemer Ruin (Alftand) and the presence of several Mammoth skeletons on the surface, it was probably just a Dwemer hunting ground. Doubt it's a direct reference to anything, but it does make for an interesting find in an otherwise pretty barren area. I doubt it's fit for inclusion, but just in case, [here's a screenshot of it]. Forgive the Night Eye. Circuitous 16:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I just wanted to butt in and say that is one heck of a screenshot. But it is a cool find. They need to make a page for just "interesting finds" Skysky 02:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...when I found it there was a Steel Battleaxe sticking out of its head that fell off when I took the arrows. --LosTheFail 04:10, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Knights of the Nine Reference

I'm not sure if this is already on here but I found a skeleton north of the Tower Stone that is partially buried and has a worn out flag sticking out of the snow with the book "The Knights of the Nine". Could this be an easter egg? Mabey one of the knights that joined them in Oblivion? — Unsigned comment by 67.222.202.79 (talk) at 17:46 on 4 December 2011 (UTC)

It's not an easter egg if it's referencing another Elder Scrolls game. Please read the white banner at the top of the article. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 17:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I suggested this reference a few weeks ago, but it was not allowed. It may be interesting, but alas... An Easter egg it is not. Commentaholic 20:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Warden Kastav

There is a fort near Winterhold called Fort Kastav. I see this as a reference to the skeleton in Oblivion called Warden Kastav that resides in Sancre Tor. What do you think? There is sufficient evidence, right?

Also, I am severely annoyed by the fact that I have had to retype this rafter its deletion. Can anyone explain why that happened? — Unsigned comment by 174.30.5.214 (talk) at 18:46 on 4 December 2011 (UTC)

You haven't submitted any edits under this IP besides these two, so I don't know what happened. However, this isn't an Easter Egg. As I pointed out in the section above, and as you can see by looking at the first two sentences on the article: "This page is for Easter Eggs only. Easter Eggs include inside jokes, pop culture references, and any similar reference to something outside the Elder Scrolls games. For other points of interest, like unfinished quests, or references to other games in the Elder Scrolls series, please see the appropriate pages." --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 18:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, forgot about that. Thanks anyway. — Unsigned comment by 174.30.5.214 (talk) at 10:50 on 4 December 2011

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There is a fort near Winterhold named Fort Kastav. This would appear to be a reference to the skeleton "Warden Kastav" in Sancre Tor, the ruin in Oblivion that holds the armor of Tiber Septim. What do you all think? — Unsigned comment by 174.30.5.214 (talk) at 10:40 on 4 December 2011

If so, it wouldn't go here. References outside the TES media only. Minor Edits 04:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Bag End Reference

There is a location in Skyrim called Hag's End, this is most likely a reference to 'Bag End', the home of the hobbits Bilbo and Frodo Baggins in J.R.R Tolkein's Lord of the Rings book. --Manic 19:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Anything else to go on? A phonetic relationship by itself is pretty thin. Minor Edits 20:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Pied piper

About the pied piper 'egg'...um no, would of been real easy to stick a flute on him. Watch the movie willard sometime... Might be a referance.. Or honestly a few b rate movies giving it a few seconds thought... But pied piper is a pipe dream. — Unsigned comment by 69.171.187.23 (talk) at 11:34 on 4 December 2011

A few people have challenged this, and all of them, yourself included, have only thought about the army of rodents. But there's another aspect to the egg: the name of the wizard, Hamelyn, and the name of the town the Pied Piper terrorized, Hamelin, are nearly identical. It serves to solidify this as a Pied Piper reference. I don't think Willard and some other suggested alternative references have this supplementary connection. Minor Edits 20:26, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Street Fighter

Occasionally when entering Mehrunes Dagon's Shrine a Dremora will announce "A challenger approaches!" This is likely a reference to Street Fighter II.

I can't prove this but when going back to dragons shrine the dremora with the robes said this as i was walking up — Unsigned comment by 173.170.174.220 (talk) at 13:57 on 4 December 2011

Nope. You need more to go on than that. 205.133.160.174 22:07, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

This is definetly not enough to go on. As soon as the protection on this page expires it needs to be removed (Yes he added it even though he was told not to) --71.51.146.49 01:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

When i entered he didnt say "a challenger approaches" he says "a challenger is near!" which may or may not be a reference to something but maybe because its similiar

It's not a reference to anything. Just because it's similar doesn't automatically make it a reference. You need several strong indications that the reference was intentional, and there are none. 205.133.169.94 15:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Dremora (including summoned Dremora Lords) are known to yell "A challenger is near!" all the time. This is probably what he heard and mistook it for "A challenger approaches!". It definitely needs to be removed. Narzul 02:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

GLaDOS

In the quest "Waking Nightmare" when the dadriec prince is talking to you and trying to get you to kill Erandur when she says "turn on you" it sounds exactly like GLaDOS. Can anyone else confirm this? — Unsigned comment by 71.56.17.212 (talk) at 18:26 on 4 December 2011

Three words spoken semi-monotone isn't really enough to go on.Circuitous 16:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The Only True Skyrim Easter Egg

When inside Black Reach There is a giant humming glowing orange globe like object. this object when shot at close range by the unrelenting force's Fus-Ro-Da, causes a random Named dragon to spawn. This people is the only true Skyrim Easter Egg because its a hidden in game for fun element not a reference to pop-culture. — Unsigned comment by 69.38.195.126 (talk) at 19:48 on 4 December 2011

But...that's exactly what an Easter Egg isn't. The Invisible Chocobo 05:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I think he meant that it is hidden better than many others, thus more deserving. But whether or not a reference is "hidden" is a much less clear and often tougher question than whether something is a reference in the first place, so for the most part we seem to be asking and answering only the latter (and very leniently, too). When and if we start really questioning whether this or that reference can be described as "hidden", it'll be quite a holocaust. Anyways, Chocobo's right: you still need to establish an underlying reference or inside joke first. I don't think "for fun elements" independently qualify as easter eggs. Minor Edits 06:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think that he meant that by definition easter eggs aren't references. While I'm inclined to agree with him, looking at previous easter egg pages on UESP they're used to record hidden (or not so hidden) references. If we were to make a distinction between easter eggs (ie if you found dancing and singing falmor) and references/allusions (an obvious nod to something outside of the game), new pages would have to be created. I'll start a new topic on that.--Redfuzzy 19:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Eh, the reference definition has been in common usage since at least 1997. The Ultima Online guide reads almost exactly like the sections on this wiki. Easter Eggs can absolutely be anything from a completely hidden area to a simple inside joke or reference. --70.145.76.243 06:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, easter eggs do not have to be references to pop culture or outside media. If so, the Mudcrab Merchant from Morrowind wouldn't be an easter egg and I don't think anyone wants to deny that. Narzul 02:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Caesar and Cicero

Cicero's name is a nod toward's the philosopher Cicero [1]

1. Same Name

2. Both indirectly involved in a plot to kill an emperor

3. Both eccentric writers

4. Both were labeled traitors and had people sent out to kill them.

VivaLaColdplaya 05:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I remember accidentally coming across the real-life Cicero's name on a naming website and thinking that. Great catch! Skysky 17:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Dragon Age reference

A farmer just outside Markarth said something like: "Maybe there will be a terrible blight, and the dead will rise from the earth." The way he enunciated "blight" made it seem intentional. Sorry, can't remember any more than that! Can anyone confirm? -- Dudebro

What? The blight is a disease from earlier on in the TES series.--Teol 10:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Portal reference?

Could the book "The Cake and the Diamond" be an obscure reference to the Portal video game, since the cake made by the alchemist in the book is a lie, of sorts? Apologies if this has been brought up before and rejected, I'm new to this posting/editing thing and not sure how to check that if it's not on the talk page or main page, or if I even can. Obax 21:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

That would be pretty amazing, since that book was originally released with Morrowind, which came out in 2002 (Portal came out in 2007). Even then, that would be stretching it to the point where we'd have to assume that anything that happens to exist somewhere else is a reference to that something. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 21:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I didn't realize the book was originally from Morrowind Obax 22:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

"Well I kill people and eat hands..."

There seems to be a reference to the Llamas with hats 1 video in the Dark_Ancestor quest. While in Bloodlet Throne there are a pair of cooked hands. I haven't seen these anywhere else in the game, so they seem to stand as a unique reference. 184.100.44.205 15:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)Shaun

That's a reach. More than that would be needed for a proper reference.--Redfuzzy 20:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you think of any other reference it could be to, Redfuzzy? If you can find another reference of cooked hands, I'd like to see it. Commentaholic 23:34, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't need to be a reference to anything. The developers never said that "Oh yeah, by the way, everything in the game is a direct reference to some random piece of popular culture.". As these are very weak grounds for a reference, it's entirely possible that the developers just made it up themselves, without any intention that you'd assume it was referencing some video series. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 23:43, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Cooked hands...tell me that you would be able to coincidentally come up with that specific Idea..lol just saying its like a one in a billion chance and we could use the same excuse to trash every easter egg here, regardless it doesent need to be a pop culture reference it just need to be a cool hidden secret cuz thats what an easter egg is. --Gdude666 11:042, 13 December 2011

The guess of "one in a billion" seems very far off. We have had body parts in kitchenware in TES games before, cooking, grilling, arms, heads, whole bodies. All these things concerning cannibalism turn up in all kinds of media all of the time. So using hands here is not a stretch. Or, to quote Terry Pratchett (himself big on hiding things in his books, about things being a reference): "Look, some ideas are just so damn obvious no one has probably lifted them from anyone." In other words: I will tell you that I would be able to come up with cooking hands in an "alchemy with human body parts" or "cannibalism" context.

Also the source possibly referenced is quite obscure if compared to other ones mentioned, so it is less probable that it is referenced in the first place (since the creators may not know the source or think it worthy enough of inclusion or think about no one getting it anyway). Also the numbers of coincidences in two different works coming up with the same idea grow exponentially with the number of works, so even if it were a "one in billion" chance, the odds of two such things turning up independently approach 1 given enough sources.

Since I do not know the source well enough and haven't played the related quest, it may still be possible, but we would need more to go on. The way you phrased it, it is not clear for example whether there is an item directly called "Cooked Hands" or if just hand graphics are just placed within a cooking utensil graphic. Also whether the original reference may use "cooked hands" instead of just "eat hands", which could be raw for all we know. We also do not know if there is anything else pointing towards this source. --Ulkomaalainen 04:10, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The original source mentions the hands being cooked up and eaten i posted a youtube link but it was deleted the video is Llamas with hats 1 obviously one in a billion was an overstatement but i assumed most people would understand that i was just getting at the fact that the probability was low especially since this is a popular video amongst certain people. (Gdude666)

It was clear that you only made a point with the "billion" number. What I was trying to say though, is that the odds of such coincidences aren't small at all - on the contrary, I think it is certain that numerous non-references of this kind can be found within Skyrim (or any other movie, book, game, of course scaled to size) since there are so many possible "sources" around. Especially this case I think is far from being as difficult to come up with as you seemed to think. And while admittedly Llamas with Hats is quite popular (I gather a couple of million clicks on youtube) it appeals mostly to, as you put it, "certain people". We don't know whether some of Bethesda's developers belong in this group, but LwH is far from being a household name that comes up quickly, nor does it seem to have a large correlation in appeal with Skyrim (unlike e.g. Earthsea, which unfortunately is no household name either, but belongs in the same "heap" as Skyrim, being High Fantasy and so on).

Another question about LwH would be whether that "Cooking hands" is just a thing within LwH or whether it is some catchphrase like e.g. "My cousin was out there fighting mudcrabs and all I got was this arrow to the knee". --Ulkomaalainen 09:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Change Title to References

I propose renaming the page References. If changed to references, subsections could include:

• Allusions
  • references within the story to real life events, or well known works (ie books or other video games)

• Real Life References
  • references to anything from real life that is well known, but is not incorporated into the story

• Hidden References
  • references not immediately noticeable

• References to previous Elder Scrolls games already has a page here

I propose this because easter eggs can include things like hidden dancing Grunts in the Halo series, and I have seen nothing of that sort. Nor, does it matter whether or not hidden references count as easter eggs if they have their own page. Also, if it is simply a reference page, it doesn't matter if the reference or allusion is hidden or not, except which subsection it goes into.

Thoughts?

--Redfuzzy 20:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

We haven't seen fit to do so in any of the other games, to my knowledge, and I see no reason to start now. The Easter Egg pages occasionally differ on how to categorize eggs, but all of them have at least claimed to be articulating easter eggs. Whether or not each example qualifies is debatable. While your proposal would likely help permanently preserve much of the content currently on the page, the fact is that much of it is and should be cutting-room floor material. You're right that calling many of the notes on the page "easter eggs" is dubious, but that doesn't mean we should change the page title, it means we should change the page.

An easter egg may be a hidden reference, or, like you corrected me elsewhere on this page, it may be a hidden joke. Regardless, I think we should stick to collecting possible eggs, and then in a little while, maybe a couple months, we start reviewing these references or jokes with more scrutiny, deleting those that aren't veiled enough to be considered "hidden" and those that, while hidden, cannot be considered a reference or joke within a reasonable amount of certainty. Minor Edits 04:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

At this theoretical later date, would you be opposed to creating an Allusion/Reference page, such as for the Cicero allusion. Some may deserve mention, but may not be hidden. I certainty concur that the page as it stands now is a mess, and many of the "easter eggs" I would not even consider proper references even if they aren't easter eggs.

I see your point about waiting, though, until there is more, good information to sift through.--Redfuzzy 04:25, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

In regards to a separate Allusion/Reference page, I don't really know. Whether I think such a page is worth having would depend on the proposed content of that page, and I can't know that until we start cutting here. Anyways, making a bigger proposal about it when you're ready on the Community Portal page might be appropriate.

I would propose we just start hacking away at the page right now, but with the holidays around the corner, the likely influx of users will start re-adding or advocating for things that were already voted down. It would soon become a big mess again, so it seems prudent to wait. I imagine that the end of January or February, after the talk page has been archived, would be most appropriate. That way we can have a comprehensive, noticeable discussion on what should remain on the page rather than what should be added. Minor Edits 05:00, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Technically speaking an easter egg encompasses a much larger spectrum than a reference as easter eggs are hidden suprises, references (historically, pop culture, etc.), allusions, quotes, and a number of other things where as references could be exactly what that list up there says, If we split easter eggs into different categories to stop atricle clutter and such it may have a viable purpose.

I think this would be a great idea. This could help get more attention to eggs that have been left unnoticed and tidy up the wiki, but I fear that if we do something of this nature, these categories may cause confusion. For example the Cicero reference I found (I appreciate the publicity) could fit under allusions and real life references. Cicero is both a character from a play and a real life figure. How would one determine which category to place him under? VivaLaColdplaya 23:47, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, it can always happen that you're referencing something that was in turn referencing something else - either because you did not know the original yourself (it may also be obscure) or because the first reference itself had some properties which seemed to be more suitable. In any case, for such a situation I would argue that it is always best to reference the original (here: the well known Roman orator Cicero) unless there is convincing evidence that another instance was meant. --Ulkomaalainen 06:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I vote to deny. The page should follow the same format as the other games, and as stated well above the common usage of Easter Eggs are anything hidden with the intent to be found and enjoyed by the finder... whether it's literally hidden physically or just obfuscated by other means is not relevant. This would just be inconsistent to the definition and make navigation MORE difficult rather than less. --70.145.76.243 07:07, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Nietzsche Reference

The skill book "The Doors of Oblivion" is prefaced by a quotation. The preface quote by Nai Tyrol-Llar - 'When thou enterest into Oblivion, Oblivion entereth into thee.' - is very similar to (and likely a reference to) a quotation by Friedrich Nietzsche, "Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein. [He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.]" I stuck this up on the discussion page for the book, but perhaps it belongs here, too. RUSTY 03:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The Doors of Oblivion appeared in Oblivion first. If there is an egg to be had here, it would go on the Oblivion easter egg page. Minor Edits 04:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. Added to the talk pages for the book and Easter Egg sections in Oblivion. RUSTY 21:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Loki and Thor Mentioned

During your first battle with the dragon at the keep outside of Whiterun the guard at the tower says something about two guards and although the names are slightly modified you can tell it was originally Loki and Thor. Id get exact quote but cant play atm.

Might you be talking about the thief in the cart with you Lokir?Jo'ker 23:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Red EagleI just did the Red Eagle quest, and the background story sounds a lot like that of the song Albany by Roger Whittaker. The song is about a man named Gordon Mackenzie who resisted English rule in defense of his homeland, but his castle, Albany, was eventually besieged, razed, and Gordon was killed. It is a little obscure, but I thought that is what the quest sounded like. You can copy and paste the url to your search bar if you want to hear the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdav6h_MNDc

No I am not referring to the Red Eagle quest, it is during the main quest where you are sent to kill the dragon at the watch tower. After you get to the tower you approach the guard who is still there and he says something like Roki and Tor just left or got attacked or something to that effect. The names sounds far to similar to be a coincidence.

I think this guy got confused when trying to add his own suggested Easter Egg. He edited someone else's post instead of adding his own subsection. As for your suggestion... it's plausible but, like most Easter Eggs, could just be a coincidence. For example, the special drink available in the Bee and Barb in Riften (The Velvet Lachance) is most likely a reference to Lucien Lachance (according to some), but to me, it's also creepily close to a romance in a fanfiction I've been writing. In it, one of the main characters (named Velvet) is in a relationship with Lucien Lachance. Velvet Lachance... eerily close, no? I've been writing this fic since last year, so there's no way that I could've planned it or be faking it. Sometimes coincidences are just coincidences... Commentaholic 20:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Swedish metal

First of all, the entry should be noted "Wait, "Swedish metal" is a thing?" instead of "Wait, "Swedish death metal" is a thing?" as Katatonia are not a death metal band. They started out as doom metal band with death metal influences and are now barely metal, like depressive rock/metal if it makes sense. Plus the songs and albums listed are from the later genre. That, and there's also something about another Swedish (viking) metal band, Bathory. The quest named "Blood on Ice" is also the title of one of Bathory's viking-themed album. Sure it could be a coincidence, but since Bathory are Swedish (there's already references about another Swedish metal band, and they could obviously be considered part of our "Nord" people) and wrote their share of viking metal albums and have one which shares the name of the mission, I'd say it's not only coincidence.

Resident Evil (possibly)

While escaping from Helgen, you will encounter Frostbite Spiders. Hadvar or Rolaf will comment on them, "What next? Giant snakes?" In Resident Evil, giant spiders were a recurring enemy, and in Resident Evil Zero, the player must combat a giant snake. Does anyone else suppose this dialogue might be a reference to Resident Evil, or is it more likely a jab at virtually every fantasy/sci-fi project? Giant spiders and giant snakes are common occurrences in this type of fiction, after all, but Skyrim doesn't have giant snakes. Just Cav 04:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This would fall in the "virtually every fantasy/sci-fi snakes" category. Someone else thought it might be a reference to Harry Potter. Too uncertain to be mentioned. Minor Edits 04:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I made the connection to Harry Potter when I saw it, and to be honest looking at the popularity of the Potter franchise makes it seem more likely that people will connect it to that rather than Resident Evil. I am just mentioning that, and personally I don't think it is acceptable as an Easter Egg either way because it is such a generic concept. His Immortal Majesty, Eric Snowmane 04:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I was checking to see if someone felt with any degree of certainty that it was a reference to something. Just Cav 05:01, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

(←) There are way too many examples of these in media, I'll just link to the relevant wiki.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReptilesAreAbhorrent

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpider

Lukish_ Tlk Cnt 05:51, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Spongebob?

During a thieves guild mission I was sent to pineswatch to retrieve a silver mold and I read a note that said somthing along the lines of "... I know a guy who knows a guy's cousin..." could this be a refernce to the "sea-bear" episode of spongebob where spongebob does a large chain like this? I'll get all the info needed to make this a post tomorrow (10-16 hrs) then put my info here. 222.152.187.62 12:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC) -Haydc

... or it could just be a rambling person that is using a cliche 'I heard it from this person... who heard it from THIS person' thing. It's not specifically from Spongebob. It's something that can be easily attributed to rumors and gossips, not to a children's cartoon show. Commentaholic 20:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I haven't heard this quest yet, but it could more easily be attributed to Spaceballs, in the scene Dark Helmet tells Lone Star "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.", since Spaceballs was released far before Spongebob. And even then, it's a bit of a stretch I think. VivaLaColdplaya

Its older then Spaceballs. This phrase is what started things like Urban legends. Alot these began with "I know a guy who knows a guy...".--Dro'Bakha 11:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. It's just a generic phrase that can't be attributed to any one person or source.

I figured it wasn't, just used as an example of it not being limited to spongebob. Its still possible that its attributed to a certain source, but they'd have to have more in common than just that "I know a guy" phrase. VivaLaColdplaya 23:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Urag gro-Shub

His quote "But at the same time, all of it is true. Even the falsehoods. Especially the falsehoods" may be a reference to The Principia Discordia (originally published 1965) rather than Star Trek. The relevant section of the PD:

Malaclypse the Younger: Everything is true.

Greater Poop: Even false things?

M2: Even false things are true.

GP: How can that be?

M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.

Danextpope 20:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

lotr riders of rohan

Whiterun looks almost identical to the city Edoras, Rohan in the Two Towers. Rohan is a land built around horses. Whiteruns crest? A horse head.

I think that's a stretch. Rohan/Edoras is all about Horses (with a capital H for them), true, and Edoras is a multi-layered city too. But to be a nod, I think some obvious similarities are missing. Edoras is way more barren than Whiterun, there's no waters flowing through it, the palace, while at the highest point, is way less impressive in LotR compared to other buildings, there are no bridges in Edoras nor are there walls within the city, the fortification of Edoras is wooden, there is no "third part", just the town and the palace. I think the differences far outweigh the similarities. --Ulkomaalainen 12:07, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Elenwen

Someone told me that Elenwen is a name from an Elvish language that Tolkein made up (Sindarin?). Can any LOTR fans confirm this? I never got into the books myself. Skysky 23:50, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

My LOTR register does not know any "Elenwen", only Elendil. Does not mean that it isn't an Elvish name translatable from Sindarin. --Ulkomaalainen 08:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Elenwen is indeed Sindarin for "Star-Maiden", I checked the Appendices in The Silmarillion. Falseglory 03:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Possible Major Dragonlance References

I realize that I could sound completely crazy by saying this, but here goes. First and foremost, in the Dragonlance "Chronicles" series of books, the dragons had been missing for thousands of years, and were being brought back in an attempt to have darkness rule the world (similar to ending the world itself), also, in the skies of Tamriel, there are two visible moons, a bright white one (possibly Solinari) and a bright red one (possibly Lunitari), also, what I have noticed, is that on the nights when you see auroras in the sky, there is a somewhat hazy circle of a dark grey (possible reference to Nuitari), I realize that the moons may have been like this in all the games, but the Dragonlance books were written and published from 1984 to 2010, and the Chronicles series (the one I'm referencing) was written from 1984 -1986, also, the races of elves always reminded me of the elf races in the Dragonlance series (Altmer = Silvanesti, Dunmer = Qualinesti, Bosmer = Kagonesti) although, I realize that this may be completely wrong.

There's no hidden joke here, and there's no hidden reference to point out. They're both picking at the same bin for their concepts, but that's not good enough. The two moons in TES lore are Masser and Secunda, by the way. Minor Edits 03:04, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

To second that: multiple moons are a staple of fantasy and scifi since time began. Similarily, multiple elf races (especially "High", "Wood" and "Dark") can be found in most works that include elves at all (HE and WE can be traced back to Tolkien, but think about Warhammer, any P&PRPG, ...) The dragons "missing" is a necessity for Skyrim, since previous games did not include them. So this is possibly not a reference but swimming in the same pool of ideas by both works. --Ulkomaalainen 08:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Legend of Drizzt Reference?

One of the greybeards in High Hrothgar is named Wulfgar, who is also a nordic barbarian type character in the legend of drizzt book series, as well, Wulfgar the greybeard is on the throat of the world mountain, Wulfgar the barbarian, is found in the plains of the spine of the world, can't find anything else to back it up at the moment, but i'm positive it's a reference

I'm not - Wulfgar is a regular medieval Nordic name, Wikipedia knows a few, also there are some more Wulfgars from fiction. If it were a reference, it would have made more sense to make him a Barbarian character as well. --Ulkomaalainen 08:07, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Frailty

The sunlight shining down on the axe in the Ratway is a reference to the Bill Paxton movie Frailty.

Labyrinth, the movie

first one I noticed was of course, Labyrinthian by name and the second when Tolfdir says "remember, should you ever need me(us?)" which would be a reference to the end of Labyrinth when Sara leaves the Goblin World but misses her friends. :3 Don't know if it's an easter egg, just throwing it out there. Amoryiv 19:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

A labyrinth is a type of maze, so that's absolutely not a reference. Also, that line is far too generic to be a reference to anything. Redfuzzy 21:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd tend to agree on this. One item in Labyrinthian that caught my attention, though, was the dedicatory plaque. It very much put me in mind of Percy Bysshe Shelley's "Ozymandias" - "I am Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair". Might be a nod in that direction, though not an outright pointer to it. I could also be imagining things. It happens at my age. Marstinson 03:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Harry Potter

In Whiterun, if you go under the bridge crossed immediately after entering the city and face in the direction of the city, a Deathly Hallows symbol is etched into the wall --Nemantius 20:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

While normally a good catch, I've actually seen several variations of this etched symbol a bunch of places. I think there's another one near the general goods store in Whiterun. I think there's more to it than a Deathly Hallows reference. I think it might have something to do with the thieves guild, but I haven't figured it out yet. Redfuzzy 22:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a shadowmark, unless you have a screenshot to prove otherwise. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Shadowmarks Here] are all the marks, I believe. Would you be talking about the safe mark? Skysky 00:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Even if Nemantius meant the safe mark, they are still different from each other. The Deathly Hallows symbol has a line going directly through the triangle and the circle. This doesn't rule it out completely, but you'll need more evidence to go on. Similarities between the sign's meanings, a specific place where it can be found that could make it a direct reference to Harry Potter, etc. Until then, I say its a coincidence. Its a circle in a triangle, its not too rare. VivaLaColdplaya 23:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Though the shadow marks are different it is possible that the danger shadow mark in particular is a reference to harry potter as it is heavily similar though it may be a stretch though the manner in which they are drawn is eerily similar the deathly hallows could be an inspiration point, harry potter is a heavily popular book and it wouldn't be suprising if a reference was there --Gdude666 1:16, 13 December 2011

I call it a coincidence. They are similar, but I don't think it was intentional. 205.133.162.67 14:38, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

LOTR

In the Black-Briar mansion/house outside of Riften there is a book, sorry I cant remember the name, which has a character named Theodhen, exactly like Theoden from LOTR.RIM 22:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The book is "The Legend of the Krately House." It describes him as "Imperial man, 24, thief" so I doubt it's referencing Theoden. Falseglory 04:06, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Fallout Ghoul reference?

Im playing a localized version of Skyrim so im not sure about this one, but in Mzulft there's a mad Khajit calling you a name which would translate to smoothskin, the term the (sane) Ghouls in Fallout call any non-Ghoul. Can anyone with an english version confirm this please? 95.222.211.23 01:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Confirm this is there. He uses smoothskin as a reference to the Falmer, but used the same exact language as Ghouls do for normal people.--Bwross 05:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

No one leaves cidnha mine-> Chronicles of riddick reference?

The prison section of this quest seems very similar to the beginning part of the escape from butcher bay game. The shivs, the orc guarding the king of rags is almost like rust from the latter of the two games. does anyone else find these two sections similar?

Notched Pickaxe

I don't think this is a reference to minecraft/ notch, I think the Notched pickaxe has been in earlier TES games also, when minecraft didn't exist/ was obscure. Anybody have evidence this is an easter egg other than the name of the item?

Just to point out, there have been no "Notched" items in any other Elder Scrolls games. Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 19:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Umm... perhaps because it is a tool used for MINING and it boosts your CRAFTing skill? That could be counted as evidence :P Commentaholic 06:22, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Star War: Knight of the old republic reference!?

When I reading about HK-47 in SW KOTOR, and I catch this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HK-47

The droid also had a peculiar and perverted idea of the concept of love, which he described as "making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope."

Very like the sentence of many guards in Skyrim said "I used to be an advanturer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee". Maybe these guards got sniping shots from HK-47.

No. Just no. God, does nobody understand the criteria for listing something as a reference? 205.133.169.94 15:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hard to blame them, given all the junk that's on the page. Easy to get the wrong idea about what's acceptable. Minor Edits 00:39, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Beowulf

Many element s of skyrim seem like references to the story of beowulf the danish kings name in beowulf is hrothgar, in beowulf they mention graybeards and there are several other references also there is a famous picture of beowulf fighting a dragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beowulf_and_the_dragon.jpg) that resembles the right side of alduin's wall from the game

I can see it being possible that a Beowulf reference could exist. I'll side with that being a reference. Eric Snowmane^Questions? 21:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Dear God, a suggestion that ISN'T completely laughable? I applaud you, sir. 205.133.169.94 22:31, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

A reference, sure. My concern is that most of these references to old mythologies are relatively overt. For example, "Hrothgar". There's nothing hidden about it; it's the name of one of the most important settlements in the game. A lack of obscurity will ultimately preclude something from being on the page, in my opinion. Add it if you wish, but references like this will be "the first against the wall when the revolution comes". Minor Edits 00:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm with you on this one. It seems more like an allusion(definition) than an easter egg to me. If all of the inspirations for the story were listed, it would run on for countless pages. Redfuzzy 03:32, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I wrote the original thing at the top, what about the wall and picture portraying beowulf fighting the dragon? And the greybeards names could be a direct easter egg referring to the men who whispered tales of the beowulf in the story Me again the guy who wrote the first thing i made an account so i can get credit for things i post do i add beoqulf to the easter eggs or do the moderators?--Bman151 01:24, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

You can add it yourself if you want. Eric Snowmane^Questions? 03:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

A Game Of Thrones

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Horik_Halfhand Notice the similarities in the name between Qhorin Halfhand, from A song of Ice and Fire: A Clash of Kings? http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Qhorin_Halfhand

Please read the past discussions before posting. Don't mean to insult; you are not the first and far from the last to clog up the page. I was just hoping to make it through December before we had to archive again. The more we archive, the more proposals like this crop up suggesting things which have already been shot down. It's a vicious cycle of page pollution. Anyways, this has been rejected, both due to equally meritorious possible references and because of the inherent dubiousness of considering something an easter egg based on nothing but a last name. Minor Edits 00:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The Belgariad

At the beginning of the game you run across a man called Brill and later on you can get an amulet of the god Mara. Both names come from the Belgariad, a series of books by the author David Eddings. The name Brill comes from one of the antagonists and the concept of the God Mara is strikingly similar to the God Mara from the books. There are quite a few references to his books scattered throughout the Elder Scrolls world.

*Shrugs* I don't know about Brill, but the GODDESS (Not 'God', because she's female) Mara has been in the Elder Scrolls games since at least Oblivion, if not before then. She's one of the Nine Divines (Or, in the case of Skyrim, Eight) If you were going to argue for an easter egg, you wouldn't do it here in the case of Mara. And with but a single name, you don't have much of a case. Commentaholic 06:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the reason the person said "the God Mara from the books." is because Mara is male in that book. (I think, anyways. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.) I'll have to check for a man named "Brill" in the game. I remember him being in the books, but I don't remember seeing someone named Brill in Skyrim.

I was correcting him in his use of the term 'God' to describe Mara in the game. He said, and I quote: "...The concept of the God Mara is strikingly similar to the God Mara from the books." I was correcting him on that point. Commentaholic 09:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Volsung Easter Egg

Someone has this up as the Volsung Easter Egg: Volsung -The dragon priest Volsung is most likely a reference to the feared Nordic king Völsung -It might also be a reference to the "Völsunga saga" in ancient Nordic mythology. the saga is about a dragon named Fafne guarding a chest of gold. The Völsunga saga had a reference in Oblivion as well.: And i would like to make some changes: Volsung -The dragon priest Volsung is most likely a reference to the feared Nordic king Volsung -It might also be a reference to the "Volsung saga" in ancient Nordic mythology. the saga is about a dragon named Fafnir guarding a pile of treasure with a ring that is said to be cured. The Volsung saga had a reference in Oblivion as well.

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