Skyrim talk:Karthwasten People

Fjotra

Not true, visiting Karthwasten at the beginning of the quest confirms that her parents are worried as she has gone missing from there. Once you find and rescue you her you have the option to return to the village on the way to the temple and again they will mention her moving to the temple. So yes she is a resident of the village, although you never see her living there there is enough proof within the game that this is where she is residing until you complete the quest. Just because she has been kidnapped doesn't alter this fact. Biffa (talk) 23:50, 19 June 2014 (GMT)

These tables are meant to note people who actually physically reside in the areas. We do not include Lokir as a Rorikstead resident because he never even goes there. Fjotra can be taken there during the quest, but only to say goodbye. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 23:56, 19 June 2014 (GMT)

I agree and she does physically reside there as per various convesation noted on the quest page:

By Hamal: "....Through the Protocol, we have seen the home of the next Sybil, to the north, in a small village pressed against the stone."

or how about Emmon: "Our daughter, Fjotra, was taken from here....."

or even after freeing her if you decide to take a detour via Karthwasten the following conversation between Emmon and Fjotra herself: Enmon: "Fjotra!" Fjotra: "Father!" Enmon: "Fjotra, dear. Did they hurt you?" Fjotra: "Of course not. My spirit remains strong." Enmon: "My little girl. Always strong. Do you know where you have to go?" Fjotra: "I'm to go to the temple in Markarth. I... I'll have to leave you and mother."

All of these clearly show that this is where she is residing until you reach the temple with her. As for Lorik it only says he is "of" meaning originally from, not currently residing, so completely different. He should be mentioned on the page, but not as a resident. It's more like Bassianus Axius of Ivarstead who moves to Riften after you complete a quest, but is resident until then. They both have a home in the town/village but they move to a new residence. Biffa (talk) 00:26, 20 June 2014 (GMT)

She doesn't physically reside here at any point in the game, it would be entirely wrong to suggest that she does. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:29, 20 June 2014 (GMT)

So all that proof is what? I think what you mean is you don't get to see her in the town, but that is not the same as not being a resident. So in your exalted opinion where is she a resident prior to completing the quest, because it isn't Broken tower redoubt that's just where she's being held or Markarth as she's never even visited the city. It is possible to reside somewhere without physically being there for a period of time. Hopefully others will be willing to weigh in impartially. Biffa (talk) 00:44, 20 June 2014 (GMT)

"...you don't get to see her in the town" This is exactly why she isn't listed as a resident. •WoahBro^►talk 00:57, 20 June 2014 (GMT)

I gotta agree with Silencer on this. I wouldn't argue that Fjotra would consider Karthwasten her home town, but for the entirety of the game she does not naturally travel or reside there. She starts by wandering around the Forsworn cell, then she will follow you (which at no point will she travel to Karthwasten on her own or be required to go there), and then she will basically wander around the temple (to the best of my memory). I personally see no difference with this and Lokir; it is quite likely that they call these settlements their homes but they never reside there at any point in the game so it would be incorrect to list them as residents. Residents are supposed to be people that will naturally be in an area by their own schedules, not just because they were lead there randomly when they were following you. Forfeit (talk) 01:03, 20 June 2014 (GMT)

I take everyone's points, but disagree that it's her own schedule that keeps her wandering around the Forsworn cell, it's not, she was kidnapped from Karthwasten which is proven in-game, once the quest is completed I've already agreed at this point her residence changes to Markarth, which has no bearing on where her residence is prior to this. Previous discussions have said that if something is provable in-game it is added to a page, however in this case where it is provable beyond all doubt that prior to completing the quest she resides in Karthwasten despite never physically never being found there not through her choice, but due to being kidnapped from there by the Forsworn. Being kidnapped means being taken and held against ones will. Biffa (talk) 09:07, 20 June 2014 (GMT)

(←) You're not looking at this in the literal way. This is gamespecific info. At no point in the game does she reside with her parents (there doesn't even seem to be a children's bed), she is present in the tower and then the temple. Compare it to a page with all the people of the 'Elder' race, which would list all old people, of course all of them have their own races, and there's no such thing as an 'Elder' race, but that's gamespecific info, that's how it's set up. This page is meant to give an answer to "Whom will I find in Karthwasten?", and not "Who hails from Karthwasten?". ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 09:50, 20 June 2014 (GMT)

I can see again, despite logic, in-game info and all that is holy proving my point of view, it's not going to change anything. Thanks for the comments and efforts tying to explain why it should be this way, but please stop trying to show it is anything other than illogical. I will leave this here and try and stop raising concerns when changes that make no sense occur, at least until the next one. ;) Biffa (talk) 15:56, 20 June 2014 (GMT)