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Store and Castle interior in-game verification

I didn't really know whether to place this here, but since we don't have a 'Stores' page like we have for Inns I thought I might as well. This is mainly to do with the rewriting Eshe, GK and Krusty have been doing on Store and Castle pages, so this is somewhat directed to them, although of course it is open to everyone.

First of all, I am in favour of the overall idea and offer my compliments to whoever took part in it. However, I did find a few points which I think should be reconsidered.

• Firstly, I realise that most of this work is towards fulfilling the 'House Contents' section of NPCs who live in stores etc. and is therefore to be considered part of the NPC project. However, these pages are essentially Place pages. What I have noticed is the unnecessary and extreme precision with which the interiors have been treated. As a general rule in place pages, we tend not to list items that are worth less than 5 gold or that are extremely common. I have noticed clutter, common and cheap items being listed; when they shouldn't really be there. What we could do is simply give a generic overview such as: "a good amount of food can be found in the room" or "a variety of wares are on display, such as pelts or books", rather than listing each item separately.

• Similarly to the first point I don't think every single chest, barrel, sack or cupboard should be mentioned unless they might contain interesting items (e.g. rare ingredients, weapons, armor etc.). As a general rule I think anything that has 'clutter' in its id shouldn't be mentioned. In the case of food containers we might just say: "a good amount of food can be found in the room; both in the open and stored in cupboards and barrels". Mentioning safe containers is also a good idea.

• Just for consistency with the fact that the other zones are listed, I think we should keep basements. However, the same rules would be used as listed above - just because most basements hold clutter and food containers. As said before we could generalise and only mention in detail interesting chests or items.

• My last concern are images. While most of the are good in the sense that they portray the zone well, their resolution is a bit... pixely. I see Eshe has uploaded most of them so a simple re-uploading of the images but with a higher resolution would solve any problem. I also think that most of the basement pictures should go, unless there is something of interest that is show. At the same time, if we want to keep them for page consistency I'm fine with that.

So, what do you think? --SerCenKing ^Talk 17:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I can see that it might be overwhelming when you read through the new place pages (after being away for quite some time) - We set out to write complete and uncut descriptions for each house/building in the the game (not counting NPC houses, though) and the guild hall pages, Market District pages and castle pages deliver just that. If you read through a page like Leyawiin Mages Guild, you will notice that all the respawning containers have been mentioned as well. And the listing of respawning containers justifies the endless listings of clutter containers IMO. I know that GK stopped mentioning the containers a bit later on, but hopefully, she will get around to add this useful information, because without it, there is really no need for such detailed listings.

HERE is the very first discussion on the matter. A bit further down, HERE to be exact, another discussion. And my own entry in order to reach consensus on the Market District pages can be found HERE. And HERE is the newest, and most complicated, discussion and it's still going. As you can see, consensus have more or less been reached to make the pages like this, and even though I disagree strongly in the last discussion (mostly because of the size of such a project), the place pages are pretty much here to stay the way they are. But I can understand the edit you made to Shafaye's page. Such a detailed listing simply seems "wrong" when we are talking NPCs, so feel welcome to add your two cents to the discussion on NPC houses. And, of course, let us hear your opinion on the other subjects as well. Welcome back! Krusty 10:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)