User:HMSVictory/Archive II

Spelling

I thought I out to point out the Style Guide, which states that American spellings are preferred to British ones. Thus, for instance, "armor", "color", "rumor", "worshiped" and "traveled" rather than "armour", "colour", "rumour", "worshipped" and "travelled". The exception is where a British spelling is used in the game. I know - I did exactly the same when I joined :-) --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:05, 1 December 2007 (EST)

That is appalling. The British spellings came first, and the Americans had to change them. But, I can't fight the system, so I won't. That's a real let-down though. In some cases, when I am inserting whole paragraphs, it will be impossible for me to notice that I have spelt something in the American way because I am so used to the British spellings! That's really going to obliterate cohesion on the site. --HMSVictory 07:11, 1 December 2007 (EST)

You get used to it surprisingly fast. Also, I use the American dictionary with Firefox's spell checker so it points out any I miss. If you're writing a large paragraph and miss a few, it's not that big a deal. Apart from anything else, you're right that it can be difficult to switch to a different set of spellings at the drop of a hat so there are always a few British versions around. I only mentioned it because your edit on The Hist was purely to change a spelling to the British version. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:19, 1 December 2007 (EST)

It really disgusts me that the policy here is so intolerant. You can still read it! Why does it matter so much? I mean, no one is going to complain to Daveh or Lurlock syaing that this and that has one letter that is different! I'm really not going to find this easy, am I? --HMSVictory 07:24, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Okay - now take a breath! I just said that it doesn't matter if you make mistakes. It's not about tolerance or the lack thereof, it's about creating a consistent look and trying to help people find the information they need. If half the pages use "armor" and half use "armour" then only one half will appear when you use the search box, which reduces the usefulness of the site. In fact Brits are well-catered for; there are redirects all over the place so that pages such as Oblivion:Armour go to the right place. I'm not trying to tell you off for the spellings or anything of the sort; I'm simply pointing out, as was pointed out to me (six months ago! How time flies!) that there is a preferred way of doing things. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:35, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I was not blaming you, Rpeh; sorry if I came across that way. I think there needs to be a serious software improvement here so every correct spelling leads to the same page. Sorry, but it just makes me very angry to see this kind of ignorance occur in such an otherwise brilliant site. --HMSVictory 07:56, 1 December 2007 (EST)

It's not a policy, it's a guideline. And nobody's contributions are going to be erased or otherwise not accepted on the basis of whether the spelling in the contribution is British or American. Given the number of contributions that we get where words aren't spelled correctly according to any dictionary, just getting the spelling to meet any type of standard is welcome. On the other hand, we don't want editors starting edit wars over what spelling should be used on a page. For example, today you decide to change all the spellings from "armor" to "armour" on a page; tomorrow an american contributor decides to change them back; the following day you reinstate your changes; etc., etc. That type of back and forth could go on forever if there was not an official standard on the site about which spellings are preferred.

If you'd prefer to just ignore the guidelines and contribute solely using British spellings, please feel free. The main request that this started with is just to not go through and change existing spellings from American to British. Refraining from making a few edits doesn't seem like a terribly burdensome request, so I'm not sure what has gotten you so angry. --Nephele^Talk 12:52, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Just as a note, I think the main reason that we use the Americanized version as a guideline is that the majority of the games themselves do so, rather than an actual preference of one over the other... --GuildKnight^Talk2me 21:03, 1 December 2007 (EST)

General Comment

I just wanted to mention that you might have an easier time realizing why we all encourage you so much if I pointed out our Assume Good Faith philosophy. In essence, you do not have to prove yourself a responsible editor; we assume everyone has the best interest of the wiki at heart, and you would have to disprove this to lose our faith! --GuildKnight^Talk2me 21:03, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Hope you don't mind...

I saw you added an image representing atheism, I hope you don't mind me using it as a userbox as well. My text is slightly different buuuuuuttt yea. Vanguard 12:01, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Go ahead, this is a public domain after all! It's kind of the unofficial emblem of Atheism. --HMSVictory 12:06, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Vicky, if you make an Invisible Pink Unicorn userbox (blessed be her holy hooves), share with me, okay? Somercy 12:08, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I certainly will. In fact I'll get started right now. GO FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER! BLESSED BE HIS NOODLY APPENDAGES! I just don't want Vanguard using my fists Userbox. --HMSVictory 12:11, 6 December 2007 (EST)

What's the difference between the fists and the atheists one, they're all a bunch of userboxes. Should be publicly used and shared. I won't ask for the monster one because I never really knew what it was untill the link you gave on that box (thanks for the educational link, btw.) Vanguard 12:13, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Ah. If either of you wants my Ahnassi male userbox, ask. That's a freeb. And the Vivec god one, well, I'll share that, too. Somercy 12:15, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks Somercy. AS for you Vanguard, the fists userbox concerns me personally, whereas the Atheism one represents a theological (or rather non-theological) group. --HMSVictory 12:17, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I get the logic now, I just thought it was humerous. I like humor boxes. Vanguard 12:18, 6 December 2007 (EST)

(Outdent) It's not that I'm being cynical here, but I do want my page to remain characteristic and unique. I won't hold it against you Vanguard! --HMSVictory 12:20, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Any of my userboxes, kept in the sandox on my userpage, are freebs, though. Vicky, thanks for the picture of the Invisible Pink Unicorn (bbhhh). Somercy 12:22, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I like freebs. Should it be a good idea to ask people before using their boxes, or is it just you, HMS :P Vanguard 12:27, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Somercy, I have the Userbox complete on my page now (Including Wikipedia link), so you can use that! YAY. Yes Vanguard, do please ask me. --HMSVictory 12:29, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I made my own version. Thanks, though. Vanguard, generally, expect to ask. Mine are free, some of Robius's are free...Vicky's choosing to set some limits. To each, their own. Speaking of what we can steal, may I put either or both of you in my Editor fics? And if so, anything I oughta know? I'm thinking of making Vicky a Breton named Victoire...Somercy 12:34, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Good to know. Just, different from what I'm used to. Back on other Wiki's you could still like 60 userboxes and NOONE would get worked up like, ever. They'd just put an "lol my boxes" chat on their talk page. Vanguard 12:36, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Don't mean to sound like a n00b, but what are Editor fics? Once I know, I can make an educated decision. --HMSVictory 12:42, 6 December 2007 (EST)

(Sodomizing the colons) The Editor fics are a body of fanfiction work set in Morrowind, written by Somercy (though if anyone else wants in on the Editorverse, feel free). They feature the uesp editors as a network of spies not unlike the Blades. Led by Hermit Dave, a Breton, the Editors fight spammers, vandals, idiots... It's something I do in my spare time. Somercy 12:47, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Whoops, just found one. They're brilliant. In fact, my impatience led me to place a comment about them on you talk page. Anyway, yes, I would indeed like to be included in your next one. Just to let you know, I would prefer to be a noticably tall Imperial male with grey hair (I myself am not that old!) Thanks Somercy! --HMSVictory 12:52, 6 December 2007 (EST)

P.S. You could call me Michael, or Victor. Only suggestons though! --HMSVictory 12:53, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Heh, I'll work you into the next one. Imperial named Victorius? We have a lot of Imperials and Bretons around, but Im sure we can fit another... Somercy 12:56, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Victorius... Sounds alright. Oh and by the way, if there does happen to be a ridiculous number of Imperials and/or Bretons in the latest one, then you could make me into a Dark Elf with an Imperial background, but do tell me first, as I favour the Imperials. --HMSVictory 13:00, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Robius is Imperial, I'm Breton, Dave is Breton. I suppose I'm not too bad. I've got one Khajiit, Bast'yan. One Argonian, Wars-with-Rats. I may or ma not have an Orc. I've two Redguards, two Nords...I can take another Imperial. Somercy 13:10, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I have a fantastic idea. You know how I entered the UESP, with the "BAH" on Rpeh's page followed by a cookie for its speedy deletion and following investigation? Well, in the fanfiction, I could be in the Imperial Legion, and I arrest Rpeh (or whatever he's called in the fics) for something, which he knows is wrong, and immediately corrects me by investigating for corruption in the Legion or something, which would precede my apologies. Bear in mind that you're the expert, Somercy, so you really don't have to do what I want! --HMSVictory 13:06, 6 December 2007 (EST)

(Die, colons!) Well, Rpeh is Robius, an Imperial...but he's one of the publicans, rarely leaves the cornerclub where Dave have him stationed. I could work with you entering the cornerclub (isn't Robi in the Pages, Caldera?) with a BAH! Somercy 13:10, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Hmm... Drunk and Disorderly conduct. Me like. Actually, I think insanity fits my profile a lot better, as I am pretty mad. Yeah, that sounds better. Hey Somercy, on the side, how can I access the other Editor fics? When I go on you fanfiction sandbox, I only see Chapter I. Where are the others.

Note: Not trying to boast, but I am rather intelligent, so it fits the bill even better now if you mention it (There is no Genius Without a Touch of Madness - Remember that?). YAY. --HMSVictory 13:16, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Came here to ask if you minded me using a couple of your userboxes, and saw that a few people made it here before me. I just hijacked the Atheist and the FSM. I love your userboxes, by the way, they're hilarious! --GuildKnight^Talk2me 22:45, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Quick access: [www.fanfiction.net/~thessilyjones]. I do plan on putting some non-Editor work up there, too. But for now, that's what I have published. Anyway, remember I've got school and crud, so this may take a while to get done. Somercy 10:21, 7 December 2007 (EST)

GuildKnight, they're fine. They represent a group of people, so I would be stupid not to let anyone else display them. The ones about me, as I have said before however, are about me and I would prefer you not to use them (not that you would without asking). I have an odd sense of humour, so don't expect my Userboxes to be sensible. --HMSVictory 11:23, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Userbox colors

Yes, you can change the color using the |info-fc= parameter. Set it to any HTML named color or hex value. Note that this only works for custom Userboxes using the Userbox template. If you're using one of the pre-made Userboxes, this will not work. (Though I added the option to change the colors for the nationality Userboxes separately, but the others do not have this option.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 11:38, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks Lurlock, but where do you put the "|info-fc="? --HMSVictory 11:47, 7 December 2007 (EST)

You put it in with the rest of the params. E.g.:

{ {Userbox|#000000|#696969||info=This user is a Dark Lord of the Sith.|info-fc=#ffcccc} }

This user is a Dark Lord of the Sith.

--TheRealLurlock ^Talk 11:55, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks! Hope you don't mind, but I'm going to just edit your code example so the page doesn't have a side scrolling. YAY. --HMSVictory 11:57, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Fanfiction

From what you put on my talk page it sounds like you've already got that idea. Simply create the page you want and link! Somercy is the real expert on fanfiction; I'm just an enthusiastic amateur! --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:41, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Alright, Thanks again for all your help throughout my experience here Rpeh! --HMSVictory 05:38, 8 December 2007 (EST)

There are a few spelling mistakes, Victory. Would you mind me fixing them? (Don't worry - I'd leave the English spellings!) --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 10:37, 10 December 2007 (EST)

They're not spelling mistakes; they're typos. My keyboard is absolute c*ap, if you don't mind me syaing so. I need a new one, as the one I am using now is terrible. Go ahead and fix them, but would I be honoured enough to recieve a comment on the Fanfiction itself? It's just that I would like some real advice before I type up the other chapters. --HMSVictory 12:02, 10 December 2007 (EST)

I meant to say before - it's started really well and I'm certainly looking forward to the next parts! It's a bit difficult to say too much at this early stage, but I'll be keeping an eye on the page for more. —Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 09:20, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Uzerboxes on another wiki?

I love some of the boxes you have, but I know you want your stuff to be unique, and I promise I won't add them to my userpage here, but can I still use them on other wiki's I'm a part of? If not then, Damn. :P Vanguard 12:30, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Which Wikis are they? Can you link to your Userpages on them so I can have a look? Which particular ones do you want? --HMSVictory 14:54, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Sorry for lack of reply, I don't have internet access on the weekends much. The userboxes I'd like to use on the official Guildwiki, a wiki for guild wars, would be the "noodly appendage" on down. You can see the page here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Vanguard . Vanguard 07:33, 17 December 2007 (EST)

You can most certainly use the FSM and IPU Userboxes, but I'm not so sure about the others. I think I'll also let you use the "hanging" userbox. --HMSVictory 11:32, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Aww, the others are the best ones! You'd still be unique on Uesp :P Vanguard 12:14, 17 December 2007 (EST)

I think I could make a compromise. If you could only choose one, which would it be? Think carefully about this. --HMSVictory 12:22, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Probably the edit one. OR, I could also be an ass and say that the internet is an open file sharing system as it was always meant to be and just use them anyway. Think carefully about that. Vanguard 12:24, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Hmm... I've had a look at you Userbox page. Don't you think you have enough already? There are masses of them! And anyway, can't you be original and think of your own designs instead of stealing mine? --HMSVictory 12:27, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Don't take it personal. On that GWWiki people steal each others userboxes every day. All we do is tell them on their talk page "lawl, your sith lord box iz cool, imma use it." 95% of the time the reply is "lol awesome." Why do you have to be so enclosed with yours? Vanguard 12:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

(If I were a colon...) I'm not being enclosed, at least not compared to anyone else on this Wiki. The users on your Wiki may be very open with their material but the people here aren't. And I still think you'd be better off making your own. Can't you think of something for yourself? After all, you seem to be creative enough with yours so far, or are they all other people's as well? --HMSVictory 12:38, 17 December 2007 (EST)

About 10 of those are my own. Still, my point on the internet still stands. If you don't like people using your stuff don't put it on the net where billions of people use it every day. Vanguard 12:42, 17 December 2007 (EST)

My point still stands, and I still strongly believe that you are capable of producing your own. And besides, my Userboxes seem a little off-topic from your others. I mean, nearly all of yours are about GuildWars, whereas as mine are more real-world. Anyway, do you even "Believe" yourself, or have you never even visited the site? --HMSVictory 12:46, 17 December 2007 (EST)

If you're asking if I really am an Atheist, I indeed am. And I don't add boxes just to add boxes, I do find the ones that fit me and like (notice I don't have the female userbox)... And not all of them are guild wars related, even though many of them use icons FROM the game. I may make my own later, but yours are neat and worth sharing, in my opinion. Be happy, right now I'm still only using the ones I have permission. Eventually I might slap the rest on anyway. Still debating with you and myself about it. I like to see myself as a nice guy but I fail to see the logic in not letting other people use these things. They're made for fun, not always as personal icons.Vanguard 12:51, 17 December 2007 (EST)

No, you've misunderstood! When I mentioned "Belief," I wasn't referring to religion, but to Halo 3 and the whole concept of the 117 monument. If you haven't looked at the site, I suggest you do before you try to use it. You are certainly a nice guy, but I do see my Userboxes as personal icons. Why do you want them so much anyway? As I've said before, you already have plenty! --HMSVictory 12:55, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Oh, the halo thing I won't use because I don't know that one. You use them as personal icons, I do the same. I don't stack them just to have them. But I still like to collect them. Vanguard 09:09, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Well, I try to be a nice person on this Wiki, but I don't think I'm coming across as one. On the terms that you are a collector and will not use them on this Wiki, you can have them all. I don't want to be responsible for any more arguments. Sorry. --HMSVictory 09:44, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Alright, it was a fine discussion. Though not much closer to understanding. You won't see your userboxes on *this* wiki. Vanguard 10:45, 18 December 2007 (EST)

(Outdent) I'm just sorrry for all the trouble I've caused you. Have a look at my chese one. I'll also have a gamer one up in a few minutes. --HMSVictory 10:56, 18 December 2007 (EST)

No trouble. Slight annoyance but nothing to shoot a school up over ^_^ Vanguard 11:04, 18 December 2007 (EST)

I didn'y know that you were a collector, otherwise I probably would have allowed you to use them straight away. I though you planned to go around your Wiki proclaiming about new amazing original Userboxes! Anyway, you can have the two new ones that are up. What do you think of them eh? PWN3D --HMSVictory 11:06, 18 December 2007 (EST)

H@wtn3ss. And it's not that I can't be original and make my own, it's just people like you make them first and FAST *sadcry* Vanguard 11:15, 18 December 2007 (EST)

You can have the two new ones as well. I must say, some of the Userboxes on your page are very good. Would anyone complain if I took one as an exchange for mine? --HMSVictory 11:20, 18 December 2007 (EST)

I highly doubt anyone from GWwiki will mind at all. Vanguard 11:23, 18 December 2007 (EST)

YAY. I hope you carry on expanding your Userbox collection. It's brilliant! It does become hard to keep count though... --HMSVictory 11:26, 18 December 2007 (EST)

I stopped bothering, some day I'll be bored enough to. But yeah, as your collection grows you might want to make another page for them. Vanguard 11:32, 18 December 2007 (EST)

(Outdent) Good point. I have some great ideas for new Userboxes, so I'll eventually have to make a new page for them. --HMSVictory 11:40, 18 December 2007 (EST)

I'll make some of my own eventually. Probably dedicated to certain games I play. Vanguard 11:42, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Tux logo

Not that it matters, but just thought I'd mention that there's already a userbox-sized Tux logo, as seen on the User Linux template:

This user plays on Linux.

Not as shiny as yours, or as large, but it's there. (Not that anyone was using that template...) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 16:30, 18 December 2007 (EST)

I am aware of that logo and userbox, but I did not use them for the following reasons:

1. It is outdated, and my one is the newer version.

2. I do not play on Linux, but I do like their mascot, so I decided to use that in the place of a real image of a penguin. 3. I prefer to colours on mine. YAY.

Sorry for the confusion. --HMSVictory 08:09, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Hmm, might consider using your Tux for the Linux userbox then, if the other is out-dated. Given your recent difficulties with another editor, I should probably ask permission to use that image, though since it's a free image, it shouldn't be needed. Of course, again, nobody is using it, so it hardly matters. But new and shiny is always good... --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 22:02, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Use the image, by all means, but I would like to reserve my Userboxes in this wiki at least. If you, like Vanguard, belong to any other Wikis, do not hesitate to use them there. The image I have used is the 2.2 Crystalised Version, which was released to replace the vectorised and "fat" Tux logos that preceded it. The other computer in my house is Linux, but I don't use that one for any games. --HMSVictory 04:30, 20 December 2007 (EST)

No! I'm sorry!

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be rude. It's just it gets frustrating when I'm the only one working on some of these things. I'm not saying your idea is necessarily bad, it's just I have work to do that I need help with. Don't stop being active at the site because of me. I'm sure that the Roleplaying pages are helpful to people. --Timmeh ^Talk 13:41, 22 December 2007 (EST)

I am not blaming anyone but myself. No one should miss me, as I have not been any use to this site at all. I do not wish to appear angry at any people on this site, as they are all extremely helpful. --HMSVictory 13:44, 22 December 2007 (EST)

I'm sorry! Look, I really don't think you should leave. I find you to be helpful and I know I've heard others talk about you being helpful on IRC. I just think we have other priorities to help make the wiki better, which is my primary concern. --Timmeh ^Talk 13:48, 22 December 2007 (EST)

You don't think I should leave - I don't think I should ever have joined. I doubt that any has mentioned me on IRC. You don't have to make up stories to try and dissuade me from leaving. I am considering my leaving to be permanent. --HMSVictory 13:51, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Please, I've looked at the Telvanni pages. I remember when reformatted them a year ago, and now they look really nice. I'm sure you had a hand in that. Look, my conduct was inexcusable. Don't punish yourself, punish me. I was being overly crude. --Timmeh ^Talk 13:57, 22 December 2007 (EST)

You had little to do with my decision; it was made over the reactions I have recieved over time on this Wiki and the realisation that my modus operandi has been far from satisfactory. I will again apologise for all the trouble I have caused on this wiki. --HMSVictory 14:00, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Look, I promise I will never act or even lead on that I don't think your edits are good. I know many editors wouldn't even ~try~ fixing the Roleplaying sections but you've helped make it better. I'm sure that counts for something. And I'm sure the administrators are very happy because of that. Look, if you have any interest in helping the wiki, stay. I'm sure that all edits, even ones that have mistakes in them, make the wiki better. Look at your user talk page. People like you. My talkpage. Almost bare. People don't say your helping out without meaning it. Pleeeease stay. --Timmeh ^Talk 14:10, 22 December 2007 (EST)

HMSVictory, if you no longer wish to edit the wiki, I respect and understand your decision. It would be a shame to lose a good editor, but I suppose if your mind is made up there's not much we can do. I do want to point out that everybody goes through the same learning process and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just because someone corrects you doesn't mean you've been an annoyance to anyone--it's just the way it works. Please don't think anyone has tried to insult you by suggesting you go about things in a different way. I hope you'll change your mind, but regardless of your decision I want to thank you for the work you've done. --Eshe^talk14:21, 22 December 2007 (EST)

You have really been a very good editor. I really have to thank you for your contributions. If you want to leave it is left to you, but this is not the right reason to leave. I'll admit I thought those images you uploaded may have been a problem but even they are not a problem it seems. All the other things you have stated are not a problem at all. You can just have some fun here if you want. I really hope you will decide to stay. You will always be welcome here. As I have said, I have always liked your personality and your sense of humour. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 14:37, 22 December 2007 (EST)

I'd like to add my voice to those who want you to remain on the site. You've made a lot of helpful edits and have started what looks like becoming a good story - to say nothing of the plethora of userboxes you've created! Looking back over your talk page, you'll see you've received praise almost from day one and from many different editors; without even looking too hard I count at least five different people that have posted congratulations and encouragement. Your only weakness - if I may call it that - is that you seem to regard yourself in a low light and don't ever seem to have accepted that we were sincere in what we said. If you decide that you still want to leave, then at least do so in the knowledge that you take the best wishes of many people on this site with you. —Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 14:46, 22 December 2007 (EST)

I just remembered another thing. You are a Dark Lord of the Sith. So you must be a lot stronger than this. Believe me I know a lot about Sith Lords. I am one myself! One far more powerful than Darth Vader. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 14:59, 22 December 2007 (EST)

COME TO YOUR SENSES PEOPLE. You are not losing anyone worthwhile. I MAY CONSIDER RETURNING AFTER I HAVE HAD TIME TO CONSIDER WHAT I MUST REFRAIN FROM DOING ON THIS WIKI. If I do return then I will make sure that I do a damnsight better job than I have done. This Wiki is fantastic, and no small thanks to the people who work day after day to preserve it. I will try to respond to each of your individual concerns:

Timmeh: I was not blaming you and I am sorry if I came across that way.

Eshe: I know that correcting someone is not necessarily annoying, but I have needed correcting repeatedly. I have seen other Users near my edit-count that have not dived in over their heads and have not needed constant guidance.

Mankar Camoran: By reason, I should never have joined up here. I can only hope that you find all of the faults in my editing and correct them.

Rpeh: Praise has only encouraged me to do stupid things. Take Vanguard for example; he and I share an interest in Userboxes, we shared that interest and what has been the result? Stupid new images that have nothing to do with TES being on the site and using up bandwidth.

I will use the time that I have to consider everything that you have all told me, and I will concieve a new editing strategy to prvent incidents such as this from occurring again. Thank you. --HMSVictory 15:24, 22 December 2007 (EST)

It is quite obvious that none of you really wish me to remain active on the site. The tone that you are using even implies that you are happy to be rid of me, which is understandable. I've added support for deleting my Roleplaying page, so please don't blame me for fighting to keep it. --HMSVictory 07:29, 23 December 2007 (EST)

I just wanted to clarify one thing HMSVictory. You seem to have misunderstood everyone here. Everyone has the best interests of the site in mind. They give their honest opinions with that in mind. It can be done in a more friendly way, but it should be taken in the right spirit. It doesn't mean they are against you or anything like that. I am not attempting to influence your decision, but I just wanted to let you know that nobody is against you. You will always be welcome here. --Mankar Camoran^{•T•C•E•} 09:02, 23 December 2007 (EST)

I will now have time to consider my entire experience on this Wiki so I may determine whether I shall be returning and under what curcumstances. This time will also allow for my mistakes to be found and corrected, and for the incidents I have caused to cool down. I hope that if I return we will be on better terms. I am sorry for the mess I have created here. --HMSVictory 10:50, 23 December 2007 (EST)

If the reason you feel that we are "happy to be rid" of you is because we haven't posted more "oh no, please don't leave" and "you've been so helpful"s, then I'm afraid that you are mistaken. Also, frankly, tiny 64*64 pictures don't really take up that much space. A few kbs. And I think Daveh would agree that a few kbs is a small price to pay for happy (unpaid!) editors. And it is kinda cool to look at other people's userpage and see "This user is an atheist", which normally arouses my response, "Woot! I'm an atheist!!!".

I'm sorry if you need to have others show their appreciation to you all the time, but you might want to consider that they are too busy working. You need to be able to appreciate the work you do before you can become a good editor is all. Having your work changed isn't necessarily bad, you just helped someone else to make the site better. I'm sorry if you can't appreciate your work.

As some people have said to me, the amount of edits you make isn't necessarily a sign of experience, nor is the amount of years you've been on the wiki. Daveh only has around 3000 edits (not quite sure) but I doubt that makes him any less useful than Lurlock. (or it could just be because he owns the site. :|) Everyone needs help and everyone has issues with pages. Most of my pages I have to edit a few times to make sure they're right. Administrators and Patrollers really aren't too hard on users who make mistakes. They just prefer to stop the problem, and then fix the edits. You can't blame them for that.

In conclusion, Hope you stay, Appreciate yourself, pictures make me happy, and sorry if you have to leave. --Timmeh ^Talk 11:00, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Final Consenus

Timmeh, you have misunderstood me. I would have been happier if the editors here had just said: "Oh you're leaving, that's fine," rather than the attempts at being concerned that have been spawned. As you so rightfully said, the editors have more important things to do here that ofer condolences to me. I do not wish to se appreciation all the time, only when necessary, which is not often.I am not blaming anyone for correcting me. I am only blaming myself for making these stupid over-enthusiatic mistakes. The Roleplaying page for Morrowind was an immensly idiotic idea, fueled by lack of knowledge and respect on my part. My efforts could have been much better directed if I had helped you improve the Tamriel:Faction areas. I can only hope that I will be able to refrain from similar actions if I return here. I am aware that no one is against me. I believe that it is me who is acting against everyone here. They don't deserve that, and neither do you Timmeh. --HMSVictory 11:36, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Hello

Yeah, I really don't know you, and I definitely don't know your edits very well either. I understand about feeling a bit stupid about some edits, and about them making you want to leave for awhile. So if you want to do that, it is your business, and I won't try to stop you. Still, I feel that the best way to apologize for making stupid edits is to make good edits that improve the UESPwiki. Good luck on your time away though. --Ratwar 14:10, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks Ratwar. it's good to know that someone can give good guidance. I'll consider what you have said if I return (I might not). I am unlikely to join Wikiscrolls though, so don't worry about that. --HMSVictory 14:57, 23 December 2007 (EST)