Online talk:Nhalan

Race

While he is referred to as nedic, he still looks like he is actually a Draugr, and therefore I think we should document him as such (as we prevously have done with Red Eagle or Mucianus Allias, for example). -- SarthesArai ^Talk 16:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Is that the draugr skin? If so, I'd support changing his race in the summary box, but he's definitely not a draugr by lore so we should keep it out of the main text (similar to how we treat the Auroran Battlemage). Personally I thought he had a unique skin, but comparing him to our draugr images I can definitely see the connection. Might be worth adding a note clarifying that his race is a technicality or something to that effect. Red Eagle or Mucianus Allias aren't great examples though, since those guys weren't actually NPCs in their respective games. —Legoless (talk) 16:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I understand your concern about the race, as his face resembles a draugr. Unfortunately, there is little that supports the idea of draugr inhabiting Shada's Tear. A more logical explanation for me is that the designers just needed to put on an undead skin that looks as rotten flesh. But as I said, I understand your point. Maybe we could add a sentence to the Notes - "Nhalan's face resembles that of a draugr." That is basically saying "we suspect he might be a draugr, but we do not have anything more right now to back it up with", which I consider acceptable.

If we say that he is a draugr we are making some rather strong assumptions... among others, that Nereids have been creating draugr by using cursed water. And secondly, that draugr are neither exclusive to Nordic culture, nor are they dragon worshipping. If he had been in the northern burial grounds where there actually are a few draugr, and which are clearly drawing from the closeness to Nords, I might have considered it. You are of course welcome to go to Shada's Tear and take a look at the mobs - perhaps they could be described as draugr of some kind?

(Personally I do not at all reject a theory that some of the ancient Nedes could have become draugr, or, rather "proto-draugr", but that would really need a proper source then. The "undead Nede" is taken from game, and not my conclusion in any way.) Tib (talk) 21:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Like I said, he's not a draugr lore-wise and there's nothing to suggest that. The argument here is about technical game data. For example, Aurorans are not Golden Saints, but the single Auroran we see in ESO uses the Saint model and is therefore listed as such on the wiki. In this case, if the water-cursed undead in Shada's Tear use the draugr textures, we should categorise them as draugr. The point of adding a note would be to address your concern directly, by saying: "yes, we know this guy isn't meant to be a Nord, but he looks like one". —Legoless (talk) 02:04, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, I trust both your and Sarthes Arai judgement, and maybe it's best that you edit it according to how it's supposed to be, and I will try to adapt to this way when I edit more pages. Tib (talk) 01:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Added; hopefully the note is clear enough. Since the three watchers in Skyreach are straight-up copies of the dragon priest model, I think we can state more definitively that ZOS used draugr NPCs to represent undead Nedes in Craglorn. —Legoless (talk) 02:50, 17 January 2016 (UTC)